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Re: New York Governor announces 100% workforce reduction for non-essential services

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Post by perl4ever »

nerdponx wrote: post #233
munificent wrote: post #23

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Man, I hate this take. I get where it's coming from. In times of significant stress, it's important that we all pull together and do work to benefit society as a whole. And part of the way we incentivize that is by calling out people who don't do their part. I get it. But we are already inundated by outrage journalism, cancel culture, and public shaming. The last thing we need is more of that. We've already got enoug…

This is a really naive take in my opinion. Edit: it's naive at best . Sounds more like you don't want to accept that bad shit is happening in the world. This has absolutely fuck-all to do with cancel culture and everything to do with selfish people spreading a dangerous disease. You can make the same argument about seatbelts. The majority of people wear seatbelts because they've been asked to and they understand the…

I wear my seatbelt whenever I go for a drive. But I also have a motorcycle license. Your rhetoric seems equally applicable to regarding everyone on a motorcycle as a sociopath and/or deviant.

When I read this sort of angry screed it scares me because it suggests to me that people are unstable, that behavior and reasoning can suddenly change due to switching contexts.

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Post by psychlops »

Thriptic wrote: post #276
psychlops wrote: post #103

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It takes time to criminalize freedom. For some, it can't happen fast enough.

If someone wants to exercise their freedoms and accept responsibility for harm they cause to themselves, I don't have a problem with that. I do however have a problem with someone's exercise of their freedoms causing physical harm to me without my consent. In the same way that it's not acceptable to get lit and then drive a car because it creates a risk to other people, people should shut up and stay inside when told…

That's how it should work. Excellent example. Automobile deaths account for over 3000 deaths per day, far in excess of what covid19 has or will do.

Given that information, it seems that you would recommend people "shut up and stay inside" due to the "risk to other people". This is not rational.

Giving up everyone's freedom and accepting simple authoritarian solutions a few vocal people want is not a good approach. Punishing perfectly healthy people by threat of imprisonment as a result of the absence of planning by the nation's healthcare and government is not a reasonable response.

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Post by uoaei »

nostrademons wrote: post #331
uoaei wrote: post #328

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Wouldn't it be wild if this triggered secession?

It might. Historically pandemics have remade the global map and socio-economic system. The combination of WW1 + Spanish Flu led to the collapse of the Russian, Austrian, Ottoman, and Chinese empires along with the formation of the UK and a resurgent American, German, and Italian nationalism. Black Death led to the collapse of the feudal system and the rise of bourgeoise capitalism. The Plague of Justinian laid to res…

I see the appeal of a "confederacy" in the abstract sense of loosely-associated states that fall under a common banner in times of war or intense need.

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Post by vinniejames »

throwaway5752 wrote: post #129

There is no doubt Cuomo should be the national point person for the response to the crisis based on his performance so far. He is independently working with regional manufacturing to retool to make critical medical PPE and ventilators, and has organized a regional coalition including CT, NJ, and PA. I have not agreed with him all the time, but his crisis management has been exemplary and he will have saved many lives…

Cuomo said 24hours ago he would not implement a total shutdown. He changed his mind hours later following California's lead.

Being a fast follower is good, but not exemplary

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Post by zaphirplane »

pwaivers wrote: post #297
henryfjordan wrote: post #275

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Why would we only expect half the world to get it? My understanding is that everyone needs to be eventually exposed in one way or another, either contracting the virus or getting a vaccine (when they are ready).

Herd Immunity ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity ) means that everyone doesn't need to get it. The threshold for COVID-19 is estimated to be between 29-75%.

On a different note in scientific paper what is considered too large an error margin to consider it a value to talk about. If the above is true that makes it what 52%+- 23

Re: New York Governor announces 100% workforce reduction for non-essential services

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Post by fgonzag »

oat_bravo_nap wrote: post #248
quartzite wrote: post #84

It will be impossible for us to permanently stop the spread with half measures. As viral spread continues due to half hearted social distancing, when will we be able to return to normalcy? Given the characteristics of this virus even a few cases floating around seem to be enough to reignite contagion. So we persist in stasis for a month or a year with no end in sight while the economy begins to collapse, which will a…

South Korea stopped the infection without "full measures."

They were setting testing check points in major highways. It wasn't a full lockdown, because they tested everyone and had enough information to be able to contain it effectively.

"If you can't measure it, you can't improve it"

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Post by NotSammyHagar »

Kiro wrote: post #273
dboreham wrote: post #268

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They acted earlier.

They also use tools that Americans will never accept (especially not the HN crowd) since it violates privacy.

The main stupid thing we did was very little testing. Our genius prez kept saying it was no big deal, and they followed policies that in retrospect make it look like they were trying to test less. At least the effective situation in the end was the entire us country has 100 times less testing that the tiny country of S.K.

If we had testing and actively tested 2 months ago we'd have see the problems and started dealing with them more aggressively. We stupidly seemed to follow a policy of no visible harm, no preperations necessary.

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Post by NotSammyHagar »

vincentmarle wrote: post #252
throwaway5752 wrote: post #129

There is no doubt Cuomo should be the national point person for the response to the crisis based on his performance so far. He is independently working with regional manufacturing to retool to make critical medical PPE and ventilators, and has organized a regional coalition including CT, NJ, and PA. I have not agreed with him all the time, but his crisis management has been exemplary and he will have saved many lives…

I think that Gov Newsom of CA has been doing a way better job than Cuomo: - implements stricter measures faster and more decisively, while having a lower case count - doesn't fight with his mayors or the President - no false promises or statements that need to be taken back days later

Inslee is Washington also seems to be doing a good job in similar ways to those too.

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Post by NotSammyHagar »

leereeves wrote: post #308
henryfjordan wrote: post #267

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Newsom referred to California as a "Nation State" repeatedly in his latest address, which is a great way to tell the Federal Government to pound sand. He took Trump's call for each state to fend for itself seriously. I wouldn't say that he's not fighting with the president. He's been doing a great job though

> He took Trump's call for each state to fend for itself seriously. Is that really fighting with the President? Republicans have a fundamentally different philosophy about disaster management that matches their general philosophy about government. Democrats generally prefer a centralized response, while Republicans want local control. I haven't heard any Republican object to Calfornia acting independently. That's act…

But what's the intelligent local way to deal with a pandemic? All I see is ignoring the problem, insisting it's some kind of liberal conspiracy.

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Post by frequentnapper »

fennecfoxen wrote: post #256
quartzite wrote: post #84

It will be impossible for us to permanently stop the spread with half measures. As viral spread continues due to half hearted social distancing, when will we be able to return to normalcy? Given the characteristics of this virus even a few cases floating around seem to be enough to reignite contagion. So we persist in stasis for a month or a year with no end in sight while the economy begins to collapse, which will a…

> It will be impossible for us to permanently stop the spread with half measures. You're not going to like this, but at this point, no one expects anyone to permanently stop the spread of the virus. It is very contagious, it has a very effective stealth mode, and it is widespread. You should probably expect that over half of the world population will contract this virus. New York's restrictions are primarily to make…

China claims to have stopped it in its tracks.
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