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Re: Developer salary spreadsheet compiled from tweets

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Post by kragen » Sun, Feb 16, 2020, 8:38 PM UTC

motohagiography wrote: post #339

kragen wrote: post #326

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Negotiation is not always or usually zero-sum. Salary negotiation is a kind of haggling, which is an exception.

Can guarantee it's not a zero sum haggle. A comp package has a salary number, it also has bonuses, commissions, stocks, options, IP ownership, holidays, work from home time, days/week, travel requirements, travel policy, mat/pat leave, non-competes, and myriad other options that effect the salary number you arrive at. If you agree to a salary number without taking these into account, they will necessarily disadvantag…

It's a little hard to tell what your argument is. You seem to be saying that some people negotiate agreements piecemeal rather than by laying all of their demands on the table at once, which is true, and that this necessarily disadvantages one of the participants in the agreement, which doesn't seem plausible. But I am at a loss to discover either a more plausible meaning in your comment or any way in which this discussion is relevant to the question of whether salary negotiation is zero-sum, negative-sum, or positive-sum.

Re: Developer salary spreadsheet compiled from tweets

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Post by scarejunba » Sun, Feb 16, 2020, 9:40 PM UTC

noelwelsh wrote: post #245

scarejunba wrote: post #235

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> You cannot have these high salaries without someone else getting shafted. There simply isn't enough money for everyone to be earning like this. Please substantiate your claim to this being zero sum. It does not seem self-evident.

I made no such claim. You're reading that into my words. If I have a data set from which I pick a value higher than the median there must be a value lower than the median ... otherwise the median would be higher. It's not a statement about economics but about math. I'm not saying there cannot be economic growth (though, generally, wage inequality is rising so most people aren't seeing the benefits of this).

I apologise for misunderstanding. Please clarify how someone gets shafted when I earn more money.

Re: Developer salary spreadsheet compiled from tweets

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Post by JoeAltmaier » Mon, Feb 17, 2020, 3:37 PM UTC

theredlion wrote: post #338

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #202

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Funny how its 'blantant' when men are at a disadvantage. Where was this comment the other 99% of the places, when women and minorities are nearly non-existant? Not worth mentioning? I know its an idealistic comment, that the world should be fair in every place. But because these comments come out only when men are not in their usual favored position, I cannot help but see them as a kind of 'institutional bias' for me…

> Funny how its 'blantant' when men are at a disadvantage. Where was this comment the other 99% of the places, when women and minorities are nearly non-existant? Not worth mentioning? I'm not sure when or what you are talking about, but if there is injustice against anybody, I speak out against it. It just so happens that movements can go too far and become retaliatory, which is what I would like to prevent. Women an…

And that sentiment comes out when men are threatened, but largely when women have issues, silence. That's my point.

The meme 'I fight injustice wherever I see it' is overused and weak - because so many occur just as some kind of correction is pursued to even out the field. Its ok to have equality, but whoa! not if even one man is affected negatively.

If I missed your defense of women being discriminated against, please list the links here! I'll eat crow.

Re: Developer salary spreadsheet compiled from tweets

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Post by n4r9 » Tue, Feb 18, 2020, 6:26 PM UTC

unlinked_dll wrote: post #274

growse wrote: post #253

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I'll take "paid parental leave, not being let go on a moment's notice and not being bankrupted by unforeseen medical issues for everybody" over "a bit more cash just for me". It's also worth noting that the U.S' "not free" healthcare costs the taxpayer more than (for example) the U.K.'s "free" system ( https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthan... ). It's almost as if the word 'free' is not a useful…

It's somewhat disgusting but these aren't issues faced by many tech workers. We're paid well, hard to hire, and get great benefits.

This isn't a very common opinion, but I'd rather contribute to a system that has free healthcare and a better safety net, even if I get lower (but still comfortable) pay, even if I'll never directly benefit from it myself.

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Post by pas » Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 2:47 PM UTC

CalRobert wrote: post #330

rcxdude wrote: post #294

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No, it's the US tech average which is ridiculously high. (Seriously, London has some of the highest salaries outside the US).

I suppose I mean for the quality of life offered. If nothing else Dublin seems much better.

Dublin is gloomy, boring (pubs) and the only thing it has going for it is that other parts of the island are close.

London on the other hand is a lot more vibrant.

At least this was my impression from a short stay.