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Starlink Is a Big Deal

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Post by mirimir »

modeless wrote: post #270
mirimir wrote: post #266

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Come on, that's not much more than a year old. > Firefox ESR > October 23, 2018

Firefox 60 is from May 2018. It's 12 major versions behind. You may not like it, but it's a fact that web browsers change quickly these days. Mozilla may support ESR for a year but I don't. This is a side project and my test matrix is already too large; I don't have time to test uncommon versions of each browser.

OK, fair enough. And it is your site.

I'm just a little surprised that Firefox would have changed enough since last May to break your site.

And there's also the other tweaks I've made. For example, I don't allow WebGL or WebRTC. And I spoof referrer to a site's root. Plus other stuff that I don't recall offhand.

But anyway, now I'm curious, so I'll test in some otherf VMs, with different browsers.

Re: Starlink Is a Big Deal

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Post by mirimir »

jlgaddis wrote: post #280
mirimir wrote: post #266

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Come on, that's not much more than a year old. > Firefox ESR > October 23, 2018

The site doesn't work at all on the iPad I'm reading HN with right now, but I'm not complaining about it because it's running iOS 10.0.1. I expect lots of sites to not work correctly -- and they often don't!

I wasn't really complaining. I just mentioned it. And that was unnecessary, and distracted from my real point. I only mentioned it to explain why I couldn't see behavior after answering the popup about location permission.

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Post by Trombone12 »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #301
Trombone12 wrote: post #64

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Yeah, all that talk about free internet for all the poor and oppressed sounds pretty suspicious set beside the claims that starlink is supposed to make money too. How will a rural Guatemalan farmer that cooks on a three stones fire provide any sort of profit?

Don't underestimate how cheap smartphones + solar is and how cheap Starlink actually is. Sure he cooks on a fire because it's practical. You don't need to fetch gas/fuel for your stove. Now with Starlink you won't need to go to town once a week to check your bitcoin transactions.

ITT:

> Too poor to make stove out of bricks

> Goes spend full day per week to go an check on their bitcoin transactions

Uh, are you sure you have a grounded understanding of what rural poverty means?

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Post by Trombone12 »

wmf wrote: post #82
Trombone12 wrote: post #64

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Yeah, all that talk about free internet for all the poor and oppressed sounds pretty suspicious set beside the claims that starlink is supposed to make money too. How will a rural Guatemalan farmer that cooks on a three stones fire provide any sort of profit?

He'll pay for Starlink using a microloan and pay back the loan using online gig work or influencing, obviously. :-/

Another poster pointed out that he will obviously pay it back by investing in bitcoin!

Re: Starlink Is a Big Deal

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Post by dzhiurgis »

Trombone12 wrote: post #343
dzhiurgis wrote: post #301

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't underestimate how cheap smartphones + solar is and how cheap Starlink actually is. Sure he cooks on a fire because it's practical. You don't need to fetch gas/fuel for your stove. Now with Starlink you won't need to go to town once a week to check your bitcoin transactions.

ITT: > Too poor to make stove out of bricks > Goes spend full day per week to go an check on their bitcoin transactions Uh, are you sure you have a grounded understanding of what rural poverty means?

You’ve missed out on irony and bitcoin and guatemala farmer (cant find it right now). Also you are underestimating the needs of impoverished people. Part of impoverishment is lack of connectivity and facilities to charge phone. Not other way around.

Re: Starlink Is a Big Deal

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Post by mirimir »

modeless wrote: post #265
mirimir wrote: post #260

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OK, I navigate to the site in Firefox 60.3.0esr (64-bit) in Debian, and allow everything in NoScript. Then I see this: > See Starlink > Click to search for viewing times at your location. So I click, and see a popup: > Will you allow james.darpinian.com to access your location? So I click on "Allow Location Access". Then I see "Loading", with a GIF. But nothing ever loads. Checking about:config, I see that NoScript l…

> Firefox 60 It's the old browser, not anything to do with your privacy settings. Sorry, when you decide to use an old and uncommon browser version the price you pay is that sites aren't going to be testing compatibility with it.

Yep, that was it.

It works perfectly in Firefox v71.0 :)

And a very cool sky view animation!

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Post by travisporter »

Barrin92 wrote: post #10

> "Hundreds of cities and dozens of countries, fine for living but previously entirely unsuitable for a place of business, will blink from red to green on the map once Starlink goes live." this reads like a marketing piece rather than actual analysis. Throughput of a single satellite is 20Gbps. The finished constellation if I recall correctly is supposed to be about 12k satellites. So about ~250.000Gbps. So assuming…

Yeah the social impact will probably be just streaming movies and shopping.

I wonder if tracking down some malicious attacker will be much harder without the need for wires, although probably not too different

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Post by no-s »

modeless wrote: post #16

Just going to plug my Starlink tracker here: https://james.darpinian.com/satellites/?special=starlink It tells you when to go outside and look up to see the satellites as they pass over your house. It's a cool sight to see because there are up to 60 of them crossing the sky at the same time in a line.

now this is a cool site.

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Post by bilbo0s »

bzbarsky wrote: post #272
mantap wrote: post #250

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I don't agree. I grew up (partially) before DSL, as did everybody before Gen Z, and I'm very thankful for it. I don't think always on internet is necessary for a fulfilling childhood. There's so much more to the world than the internet.

It's not if society is generally structured around that, sure. But if the only way to find out what your homework is is a website, and that homework is posted as a multimegabyte PDF (this is how it's working for my kids, not a hypothetical), then lack of an available internet connection immediately affects your ability to effectively attend school, for example. Now we can have a discussion about whether school is nec…

Or more fundamentally, a discussion on whether pdf's on websites are necessary for school work?
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