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Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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Post by spookyuser »

endothrowho333 wrote: post #288
spookyuser wrote: post #24

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I am so sad about the fact that Edge can no longer read epubs and seems to have (so far) sub par pdf reading. It's been my go to pdf reader for a while now and I love the way it scrolls. It is so smooth - just like preview on a mac. I haven't found anything else that comes close to edge for the smoothness of its pdf reading on windows, so I will definitely be holding out on this update for as long as I can. I don't r…

Have you found any good ePub reader? Zathura and Calibre are insanely bloated. FBreader is just no. Emacs works, but has similar functionality to FBreader.

Yeah it's amazing how incredible Calibre is at organising books but terrible it is at displaying them.

As a matter of fact though, I think I have found a very good epub reader which I don't see mentioned very much called Cover.

It is ridiculously smooth at displaying epubs, maybe even more so than edge. I was reading an epub with tons of images and I could swipe left and right between pages multiple times without waiting a second for reflow, almost felt like swiping a pdf. Whereas on all those other apps the book was blurred and did not scale how I would expect it to, to fill the screen. On cover everything is displayed how I think it should be displayed without changing anything. So yeah, cover A+

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/cover-comic-reader/9wzdncr...

Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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Post by alwillis »

Inityx wrote: post #330
alwillis wrote: post #329

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Even the guy who literally birthed Firefox (Brendan Eich) picked Chromium for Brave, his new browser.

Yeah, but he also designed JavaScript, so...

Considering he designed it in about 10 days, it could have been much worse… and now it’s one of the most popular and important programming languages in the world; go figure: https://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/software/the-top-program...

In 2001, Apple could have picked Gecko but forked KHTML instead to create WebKit/Safari because it was smaller and seemed easier to work with.

It doesn’t change the fact that back in the day, high profile companies picked WebKit—Google, Blackberry, Nokia—for their browsers.

In 2013, Google forked WebKit to make Blink and nowadays, Microsoft, Opera, Brave and others have picked Blink/Chromium for their new browsers.

Even as Mozilla is making great strides with updating its engine (was Gecko; now Quantum), nobody else is going on that trip with them.

Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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Post by balls187 »

wlesieutre wrote: post #13
llampx wrote: post #3

If you use the PDF or e-book functionality in Edge, you may want to hold off on upgrading. The PDF scrolling is not as smooth as on the older version.

Extra sad because Microsoft briefly had their own PDF program (Reader) in Windows 8, but removed it in favor of making Edge the default program for opening PDFs.

Are you sure it's gone?

I just checked the Microsoft App Store and Reader is available.

https://www.microsoft.com/store/productId/9WZDNCRFHWG5

Funny because with Windows Ink, I loved Edge's PDF abilities.

Made my life so much easier.

Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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Post by balls187 »

progfix wrote: post #18
wlesieutre wrote: post #13

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Extra sad because Microsoft briefly had their own PDF program (Reader) in Windows 8, but removed it in favor of making Edge the default program for opening PDFs.

Yeah, it was briefly on Windows 10 as well, it was my favourite PDF reader and now it's gone. Good job Microsoft.

Is this what you are referring to?

https://www.microsoft.com/store/productId/9WZDNCRFHWG5

Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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Post by jammygit »

Inityx wrote: post #330
alwillis wrote: post #329

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Even the guy who literally birthed Firefox (Brendan Eich) picked Chromium for Brave, his new browser.

Yeah, but he also designed JavaScript, so...

I like JavaScript... it’s very flexible and incredibly expressive. Using c# lately, I just feel shackled

Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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Post by oaiey »

ijidak wrote: post #285
sime2009 wrote: post #184

Regarding the topic of browser mono-cultures, I was web developer in the post browser war era in the early 2000s where we had a dominant IE6 and a stagnant browser landscape. It was bad. Real bad. But I'm actually fairly positive about MS getting into the chromium landscape and back into the game. Let's face it MS had lost all of its influence in the browser world before dropping IE and making this move. It is a Goog…

> If push came to shove, forking chromium wouldn't be an idle threat from MS Can almost guarantee this will happen in 2-5 years. Given Microsoft's history, I don't see Microsoft and Google playing nice for too long.

I also think this will happen. They have very different interests.

Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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Post by tomc1985 »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #336
thawaway1837 wrote: post #302

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I believe the reason was NodeJS and Electron, wasn’t it? Basically, MS expects NodeJS and especially Electron to become fairly important going forward (MS’s 2 newest and highly successful apps are both Electron based...VS Code and Teams). There is no indication that either of those are moving away from Chromium anytime soon.

The sad thing is that those apps' HTML and JS probably are standards-compliant, so supporting Slack, Teams, VSCode, (Electron) Skype, etc in a Firefox-based version of Electron should be possible and very straightforward - yet it probably won't happen. What's sad is that Windows 98 fully supported desktop-based HTML+JS apps ("HTA Applications"), with access to native resources (using COM via `new ActiveXObject`) and…

WinForms was never "quickly abandoned" ... MFC has been the defacto standard for Windows UI since Win 3.1

Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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Post by tomc1985 »

tracker1 wrote: post #282
ewgoforth wrote: post #254

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I'd also be curious to know what features that Edge doesn't support. I know it doesn't do everything Chrome does, but I haven't run into any scenarios that Edge didn't support in a long time. It's a pet peeve of mine that apps don't support Edge/Trident, Vivaldi, etc. It's easier to write cross-browser code than ever, but it seems like we're in the process of reverting back to the bad old days when IE6 was the only b…

IE6 was closed source and only ran on Windows... Chromium/Blink run cross platform, open source and already 2 forks in. There's some stark contrast, even if it's more of a mono-culture, it's nothing like the IE6 days, even if google does have more power/control than other stakeholders.

IE had a mac version, but it died due to lack of interest/support

Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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Post by tjpnz »

gsam wrote: post #304
RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #276

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One huge advantage the Chromium has over Gecko is Google's Security Team (ie Project Zero). For most users, the web browser is one of the biggest attack surfaces and having arguably the best security team behind the browser engine is a good thing.

It's not actually clear that they prioritize their own products all that much. Certainly in regards to Project Zero, it seems the point is that they are detached from the rest of the product teams. (Correct me if I'm wrong) Outside of the security teams, I think it's actually that Chromium is much better fuzzed and scrutinized. They just have so many more resources, including those for security.

>It's not actually clear that they prioritize their own products all that much. Certainly in regards to Project Zero, it seems the point is that they are detached from the rest of the product teams. (Correct me if I'm wrong)

Most of what I've read relates to Microsoft products - and I'm not saying that Microsoft is better/worse than the rest when it comes to security.

Re: The new Microsoft Edge is out of preview

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Post by tomc1985 »

wavesplash wrote: post #338
Inityx wrote: post #330

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Yeah, but he also designed JavaScript, so...

Under a 2 week deadline. I challenge you to do better.

Most likely he had been thinking about the project for some time. But the 10-days-execution story sounds much nicer
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