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Clear backpacks, monitored emails: U.S. students under constant surveillance

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Post by zepto »

tomatotomato37 wrote: post #191
werfds wrote: post #28

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No, but if we're forcing the kids to have clear backpacks because of an infinitesimal risk, we should ban them from biking to school, being driven to school and playing in the school football team. Which is ridiculous.

Some schools actually have banned things such as biking to school, along with playing tag, balls, and even running during recess over the same safety boogieman. It's frustrating how the whole freedom vs security balance thing falls off a cliff when children's rights are discussed. Sources edit: https://www.bicycling.com/news/a20026414/why-biking-to-schoo... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/03/parents-outrage-…

That sounds like prison.

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Post by rtkwe »

ta0987 wrote: post #334
rtkwe wrote: post #254

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I mean if we're talking about Switzerland we have to talk about how their gun laws would be considered extremely draconian and unconstitutional in the US. [see 0] For starters all guns and ammunition purchases have what are essentially background checks, and it's much easier to lose the right to purchase, carry permits are basically non-existent and most transit is explicitly only to and from shooting ranges or hunti…

They are not Draconian, they are in the ballpark of a blue state in the US. If the progressives were willing to accept the Swiss laws in the US under the stipulation that they would never again be made more strict, the US gun owners should be thrilled. Part of the problem is that US gun laws are often motivated by misunderstanding or spite rather than reason or compromise.

They would be called draconian by Republicans and the NRA, look how they react to any increase in gun laws today. Of course blue states get closer to the Swiss laws but IIRC no state has any kind of background check on ammunition [0] or universal gun registries both of which are part of the Swiss system.

[0] It would be practically impossible to enforce because states can't put up barriers from things coming into their state from other states.

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Post by detritus »

superkuh wrote: post #314
detritus wrote: post #222

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My local corner shop has about 16 CCTV cameras in it, covering as many angles in the shop as they can. This is common. Very common. I'm totally OK with that kind of apparently 'pervasive' CCTV coverage - we're not talking government-owned networked cameras linked up to face/gait/whatever recognition systems or deep cold storage banks, we're talking small store-owners keeping an eye on junkies and thieves. The oft-reg…

Imagine each one of those cameras were being held by a person. How would you react then? This is the true nature of the situation. Surveillance Camera Man made it explicit, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP5ZVPwP7bg : people hate being watched. Doing it with machines is an exploit for the human psyche.

> people hate being watched

in the old days we'd have God watching over our conscience.

now we have cctv.

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Post by superkuh »

mc32 wrote: post #324
superkuh wrote: post #314

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Imagine each one of those cameras were being held by a person. How would you react then? This is the true nature of the situation. Surveillance Camera Man made it explicit, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP5ZVPwP7bg : people hate being watched. Doing it with machines is an exploit for the human psyche.

The video on those systems usually is turned over every month. The video isn’t accessed unless there was an event. These systems aren’t integrated into larger systems to help track and ID people. That said, some of this could change if many shops go to nest or ring solutions... but most shop owners will not keep video footage indefinitely in the cloud as it’d be cost prohibitive.

Yep. That's exactly the kind of rationalization I'm talking about. You don't know any of that for sure for each machine camera and certainly don't know what a random person will do with a taken video.

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Post by justadudeama »

deadbunny wrote: post #207
giancarlostoro wrote: post #54

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> The right to bear arms was paid for in blood and not just once. And worse, gun restrictions only benefit criminals. There's plenty of people who legally own firearms and protect their homes and their property legally. They also avoid plenty of crime since criminals tend to run when a gun is pulled on them especially in stand your ground states. They've tried banning everything in England and criminals will still ki…

> They've tried banning everything in England and criminals will still kill people with just about anything. First it's the guns, then knives, then machetes. You can run over people, are you gonna make cars illegal too? We just had a Terrorist attack last week. He was armed with 2 knives and he killed 2 people before being taken down by some people with a fire extinguisher and a narwhal horn (I shit you not). I'll ta…

What would you call the police officer that came with a gun?

By giving up private firearm ownership you are putting the safety of yourself and your loved ones in the hands of the government. This article is an example of why it is dangerous to do that.

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Post by jakelazaroff »

tssva wrote: post #240
jakelazaroff wrote: post #215

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For example, downloading a list of prohibited domains to your device and running a local firewall. “Monitoring” in this context implies that someone will be able to later review the websites you’ve visited or tried to visit.

Every enterprises local firewall I know of can report back to a central system for logging.

I don’t have any special knowledge of enterprise firewalls; parent just asked how it was possible.

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Post by foldr »

umvi wrote: post #336
foldr wrote: post #288

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I mean that they are vastly more frequent in the US than in any vaguely comparable country. It would be as if, e.g., 100x more Americans died of electric shocks than Europeans. This would suggest that something fixable was wrong.

You have to prioritize your problems and solve the ones that give you the most bang for your buck. I'm sure there are magnitudes more shark attacks in USA than in EU, but that doesn't instantly mean we should prioritize reducing shark attacks - the cost-to-value ratio of solving that problem is terrible. America has a lot of problems. I would say school shootings are not terribly high on the list. Same with mass shoo…

You work on whatever problem you like. I simply pointed out that the US has a singular problem with school shootings. You appear to agree with that assessment.

You have no idea what would happen if Hong Kong had "2A rights".

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Post by gibolt »

detritus wrote: post #222
slowhand09 wrote: post #197

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Funny this article coming from the Guardian which I believe is a British publication. And London being the only city in the top 10 for surveillance outside of China. https://www.comparitech.com/vpn-privacy/the-worlds-most-surv...

My local corner shop has about 16 CCTV cameras in it, covering as many angles in the shop as they can. This is common. Very common. I'm totally OK with that kind of apparently 'pervasive' CCTV coverage - we're not talking government-owned networked cameras linked up to face/gait/whatever recognition systems or deep cold storage banks, we're talking small store-owners keeping an eye on junkies and thieves. The oft-reg…

Wouldn't be hard to hook them all up to the government's backend, if it one day became mandated. For safety.

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Post by carapace »

From my POV this is the natural continuation of an already-fucked-up situation.

The rights of children have historically been neglected, and so we inflict on them what we dare not inflict on ourselves.

I realized as a child that my parents were sending me to a fucked up place. They did it because they were out to lunch and not paying attention. I've never understood why most people, who sincerely love their children, send them to these places.

Education per se is the secondary reason for their existence. The primary reason is conformity, which they are much more successful at achieving (than education.)

The single, simple metric to tell whether or not your school system is actually educational is the ratio of teachers to children. The range of 1/6 is probably the upper limit. You might get away with 1/10 if the teacher is truly magical. The modern ranges pr 1/20 - 1/40 are absurd. Fucked up Lord of the Flies shit goes down when you get that many kids together w/o adequate supervision. You were all children once, you know what I mean.

Modern "school" systems are hell-worlds. If you love your children, don't send them to hell-worlds.

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