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Re: The world needs more search engines

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Post by enitihas »

saagarjha wrote: post #339
enitihas wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you think Google is embedded into Chrome? I use ddg easily with chrome, and as far as I remember, chrome allows you to change your search engine to anything, even a nobody site, as oppposed to Safari, which only allows selection from a fixed list of 4 on my Mac, so I can't use Yandex as my default. Desktop is dominated by windows, where bing search is embedded in the start menu, from where it is non trivial to…

> chrome allows you to change your search engine to anything Which they mention a line below your quote.

I am not disputing that, I am just asking how does any other browser make it even easier.

Re: The world needs more search engines

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Post by MamaJumba »

Darth_Hobo wrote: post #337

I think people should be responsible for their actions. If they only use google without even trying anything else then they are themselves to blame for whatever bias/lies google have fed them. And asking me to pay yet another tax for regulations so that dumb people are protected from the consequences of their actions is... it's like they are trying to build a kindergarten for adults. And I am not a fan of socialism.

Even if the consequences of the dumb people's actions indirectly (or directly) affect your life?

Re: The world needs more search engines

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Post by buboard »

saagarjha wrote: post #323
phendrenad2 wrote: post #318

Search engines are really a relic from back when everyone had their own webpage. Now everyone posts their content on a handful* of sites - Medium, Reddit, StackOverflow. I think what we need is an inversion of the search engine model... instead of a web crawler scouring the web for new pages, these handful of companies (Medium, Reddit, thousands more) should register with the search engines and push sitemaps regularl…

> Now everyone posts their content on a handful of sites - Medium, Reddit, StackOverflow. They do not and it would be a sad day if they did. Please don’t help push us towards that any further.

They do though. Old content will just gradually disappear into webarchive. Let's not pretend it didnt happen. (oh and btw we will probably change that again, but the content won't go into webpages-hosted-somewhere but probably will be served directly from the user's phne)

Re: The world needs more search engines

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Post by __ka »

neltnerb wrote: post #81
meerita wrote: post #5

I'm more than happy with DuckDuckGo. I would love more specialized search engines. Back in the day I've used several search engines depending the task i needed to perform, from Altavista to Yahoo to Google.

This new search engine doesn't even function without javascript enabled, unlike DDG which works just fine.

We're trying to get a version that works with javascript disabled (for TOR), but are trying to avoid having to maintain two separate clients. We'll try to push it out soon. Many thanks for the feedback on our beta.

Re: The world needs more search engines

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Post by [deleted] »

creato wrote: post #334
green1 wrote: post #279

There is no way Google doesn't use fingerprinting, or something even more advanced/creepy. I never sign into Google, use private browsing by default and use VPNs (not to hide, just for various location reasons), and Youtube's recommended for you is full of stuff unrelated the current video I'm watching that I've seen before with different IPs and locations/VPNs. Edit: LMAO at the sudden attempt to bury this post with…

Funny, my personal anecdote on this topic is that when I'm not signed in to my youtube account, I think all of the videos on my homepage and recommended videos are useless trash that make me embarrassed for humanity.

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Re: The world needs more search engines

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Post by cj »

Side note:

> In the TV world, this would be the equivalent of 100 different channels, but they all show Fox News 24 hours a day and just replace the logo. This clearly cannot be good.

Unfortunately that's already happening, just look at Sinclair [0]. They operate 193 different TV news stations covering 40% of US households and syndicate very similar content between stations (with the same political biases, just different logos).

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_Broadcast_Group

Re: The world needs more search engines

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Post by hiccuphippo »

jefftk wrote: post #271
Terretta wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does it know to offer (in incognito mode) a list of your accounts you might want to re-login to? (Not always, but often enough to raise an eyebrow.) Seems like a pretty good reason to think it still knows who you are. As to how that works, you tell us.

Are you talking about the browser's autocomplete? That's not something servers can detect unless you interact with it. Or do you mean something else?

No. On login Google shows you your email address so you can click on it and only fill the password. Which means it knows you were logged in on that browser previously.

Re: The world needs more search engines

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Post by shadowgovt »

chinesempire wrote: post #276
shadowgovt wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It marked the end of that government, but the nation of China is still very much an empire, by definition of its ambition and cultural reach exceeding its borders. In the same sense that the US and UK are empires.

Of course, if you use a custom definition for everything and cherry pick informations, everything is possible. But no, it wasn't just the end of the government, it also meant losing almost 30% of its territory. https://imgur.com/r/mapporn/Cdi6KOL > In the same sense that the US and UK are empires. UK was an empire, and it's already fallen, it is now on the brink of losing even the Kingdom and becoming an Island hosti…

I'm going by the Wikipedia definition, to wit: "An imperial political structure can be established and maintained in two ways: (i) as a territorial empire of direct conquest and control with force or (ii) as a coercive, hegemonic empire of indirect conquest and control with power." The US and China are the latter. The UK's power has slipped, but it's still in this category with extraterritorial colonies. A specific emperor is structurally optional.

Re: The world needs more search engines

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Post by Darth_Hobo »

MamaJumba wrote: post #342
Darth_Hobo wrote: post #337

I think people should be responsible for their actions. If they only use google without even trying anything else then they are themselves to blame for whatever bias/lies google have fed them. And asking me to pay yet another tax for regulations so that dumb people are protected from the consequences of their actions is... it's like they are trying to build a kindergarten for adults. And I am not a fan of socialism.

Even if the consequences of the dumb people's actions indirectly (or directly) affect your life?

Yes. If I put myself in the position where I am heavily dependent on what they do then I have only myself to blame. And if it is a minor dependency then I probably won't even care. And if you are talking about them doing violence then bullets are cheap.

Re: The world needs more search engines

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Post by __ka »

mtVessel wrote: post #58
meerita wrote: post #5

I'm more than happy with DuckDuckGo. I would love more specialized search engines. Back in the day I've used several search engines depending the task i needed to perform, from Altavista to Yahoo to Google.

Isn't DDG just white labeling search results from Bing?

They largely are. Here's an interesting thread, which I and people from DDG partcipated in a few days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21653476
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