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Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by Someone1234 »

Jonovono wrote: post #244
Someone1234 wrote: post #22

Holy heck, they re-added a physical escape key. That's a huge improvement. a slight shame they didn't just move the touchbar up and re-add the F key row too, but it is a good compromise and improvement regardless. This could be the one a lot of people have been waiting for if the new switches/design pans out. PS - Although I might be an unusual demographic as I touch type and wouldn't use the touchbar regardless (sin…

Whats with you guys and the ESC key? It's so far away do you actually use it? I map caps-lock to ESC/Hyper key which I find pretty useful.

I can reach it from the starting row (ASDF) of my left hand without moving it. This might be more impactful to people with small hands.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by jcranberry »

eitland wrote: post #217
ses1984 wrote: post #80

"I'm so glad this model has a touchbar" "I would buy a dell xps but only if it had a touchbar" things no one ever said.

For the record: think twice before buying Dell XPS. I'm on my second now. Poor hardware quality on both. The first got a full replacement of mainboard, keyboard and battery after short circuiting. The second came with a broken hinge cover out of the box and there still seems to be a driver problem I haven't figured out (random lags up to 5 seconds or so but usually less multiple times a week if not multiple times a d…

I was about to disagree before I realized with my Precision 5520 (analogous to XPS 15) the left hinge is broken and my battery is dead, and they both broke after about a year.

I don't know about the battery but the hinge was certainly a problem with the line in general, since it was a flimsy plastic thing unable to hold the weight of the 4k screen it came with...I'd be a bit surprised if that hasn't been fixed in the around 2.5 years since I bought it though.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by MitjaBezensek »

eitland wrote: post #217
ses1984 wrote: post #80

"I'm so glad this model has a touchbar" "I would buy a dell xps but only if it had a touchbar" things no one ever said.

For the record: think twice before buying Dell XPS. I'm on my second now. Poor hardware quality on both. The first got a full replacement of mainboard, keyboard and battery after short circuiting. The second came with a broken hinge cover out of the box and there still seems to be a driver problem I haven't figured out (random lags up to 5 seconds or so but usually less multiple times a week if not multiple times a d…

Same here. One morning I came downstairs and found laptops vents working on full. I left it on the table in sleep mode the previous evening. Laptop was extremely hot, luckily there weren't any papers underneath. After that the fans were constantly on full, often the CPU even locked itself on 0.78GHz and needed to be restarted to stop the throttling. They then replaced the mainboard, CPU, but it seems it's still overheating.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by thefz »

mmmBacon wrote: post #205
karpodiem wrote: post #18

Would it materially harm a company with a trillion dollar market cap to offer a version of this without the touchbar (thus yielding a lower price), so people can afford to upgrade the soldered memory and NVMe drive? Would it also harm them to make a version that didn't have soldered memory/NVMe drive? Ultimately, this is why I switched to a Dell Latitude. Being user hostile to basic memory/disk replacement doesn't fl…

One way Apple has become a trillion dollar company is by minimizing skus. Options mean inventory, development and test costs etc... and can be sources of quality problems triggering warranty repairs or replacements. Doing few things allows one to streamline both product development and manufacturing.

> One way Apple has become a trillion dollar company is by minimizing skus.

One way. The other is, if your computer breaks you either upgrade or spend a lot to have it repaired by Apple. There's no downside in using non soldered down ram and storage, it's just the nth lock in strategy.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by Reason077 »

throwanem wrote: post #17

I'm astonished and pleased to see they walked back the two worst things about the original Touch Bar MBPs - the lack of a physical Escape key, and the full-size left and right arrow keys. The lack of physical function keys remains regrettable, and the Touch Bar is still no worthy substitute, but perhaps this is a sign that Apple is finally interested in listening to feedback from its long-term customer base, even if…

> "the two worst things about the original Touch Bar MBPs - the lack of a physical Escape key, and the full-size left and right arrow keys."

The "butterfly mechanism" keyboards are awful, unreliable, and get worse with time, so I'm very glad to see them go. Likewise, the return of the physical Escape key is very welcome.

But honestly, the design of the arrow keys has never bothered me in the slightest. If anything, the present configuration is slightly better because it's aesthetically cleaner and gives you a larger surface to hit the left and right arrows.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by fnordsensei »

calbear81 wrote: post #191
throwanem wrote: post #17

I'm astonished and pleased to see they walked back the two worst things about the original Touch Bar MBPs - the lack of a physical Escape key, and the full-size left and right arrow keys. The lack of physical function keys remains regrettable, and the Touch Bar is still no worthy substitute, but perhaps this is a sign that Apple is finally interested in listening to feedback from its long-term customer base, even if…

I’m sure someone has suggested this at some point but why not physical keys with an lcd underneath each key? This would allow those keys to be fully customizable and be worthy of the “Pro” designation.

I'm sure there's a prototype of this sitting around somewhere in Apple headquarters, either waiting for some patent to expire, or some key component to become cheap/thin/reliable enough.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by smiths1999 »

rco8786 wrote: post #146
Ambroos wrote: post #77

For others who might be wondering, this replaces the 15-inch MacBook Pro. There's a small increase in size (15 vs 16): - Thickness: 1.55cm to 1.62cm (+0.7mm, +4.5%) - Width: 34.93cm to 35.79cm (+0.86cm, +2.5%) - Depth: 24.07cm to 24.59cm (+0.52cm, +2.2%) - Weight: 1.83kg to 2.0kg (+170gr, +9.3%) The display alone is ~1.3cm wider (and ~0.7cm higher), so there was a small reduction in bezel sizes, allowing the screen t…

Dang. My 15” is already a hit too big for airplane work and this won’t help. 13 is too small as a daily driver. Can a guy get a 14”??

I expect the 13" will eventually move to a 14" similar to the 15 -> 16 change.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by serg_chernata »

gardnr wrote: post #325

The photos in the article do show the physical escape key but do not show the sides of the laptop where the ports would be. I hope that it has a MagSafe charge adapter and an HDMI port.

Then you'll be just as disappointed as I am. This thing comes with 4 USB-C ports and an audio jack. That's it.
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