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Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends, a survey has found

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Re: Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends, a survey has found

#341

Here's an easy solution guys - make friends with more women. A couple years ago my wife asked for a divorce (we are still married but separated). It was very much a wake up call that I was very dependent upon her emotionally and I had neglected my other friendships. I did two things. I invested myself in some old friends from high school and college, but as none of them are living in my city, I realized that I really…

> Here's an easy solution guys - make friends with more women

I'm male. And I'm going to say that most of the women I know would prefer you didn't offer this advice. Women frequently do a ton of emotional labor for men and receive little back. There's already quite a bit of imbalance. Many men rely on the women in their life for support rather than the men.

Most women I know do enjoy their male friends but still wish the men in their lives had more male friends.

Re: Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends, a survey has found

#342

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Why do you prefer it?

I’m an introvert. People drain me. I find fulfillment in the world around me and my hobbies. I’m on HN not to be social but to learn things. I don’t need validation from others. I don’t hate human interaction either. I have friends. I just don’t NEED them, and don’t need to go seeking them or be especially close.

I'm curious if you will retain this preference as you get older and physical frailty starts to appear in your life, or you lose your source of income.

Re: Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends, a survey has found

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As a man is pretty damn hard keeping friends after the age of 30, especially if you happen to go trough a divorce when suddenly more than half (if not more) of your friends get to “choose” the other side. Yeah, you get to ask your friends back from high-school or college out for a beer but chances are they’re also in a middle of a divorce or they’re too busy with family requirements (can’t blame them) or too stressed…

An important post-30 strategy that I use is to assume that all friends with children are prisoners in their own home. You know exactly where they are. You know they don't have plans. They are desperate for adult conversation. That means you can invite yourself over, bring takeout, and basically make their day. I'm coupled but this should work as a single. Our parent friends say it's actually easier to be friends with…

Something weird happened in middle class culture when it became uncouth for married persons to go out without the spouse to see friends. Being a single parent is rough, but there's no reason to avoid socializing if you have a spouse -- unless you are shy and hiding behind your spouse, or are content to lean on your spouse and kids for your whole social life (which is a huge risk of long-term downside potential)

Re: Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends, a survey has found

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Where do you live? What are your hobbies and interests?

Seattle suburbs. Coding, videogames, cars. I've recently fell out of all of my hobbies and even stopped playing online games where I had some community going on.

This is basically a promotion since I'm the organizer. I'm hosting a developer's conference called Handmade Seattle this November, where lots of cool and personal coding projects will be showcased. You could show up with no expectations of making connections, but, you never know.

Re: Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends, a survey has found

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This was my strategy with club promoters. They maintain an air of exclusivity with gaggles of beautiful women around them, and self preservation would tell you not to dare approach any of the women or the table and that the promoter - usually male - would be disinterested or aggressive towards you. But a reality is that the promoters are also desperate for casual conversation. All those beautiful women around and if…

> The selection of women This is a pretty gross way to describe a group of people.

It is primarily bad grammar

The subset of patrons that are being discussed are overwhelmingly women that have been through multiple rounds of selection by the time they got there

Re: Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends, a survey has found

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I think this is a symptom of a few things: dehomogenisation of interests and urban sprawl, exacerbated by income requirements and children. From my understanding: In the country, you integrate, or you're isolated. It's pretty much always sports, and it's the lowest common denominator.

In the past 100 years, as people have moved to the city, and as knowledge has diversified, there's this implicit promise that the city will allow you to find others with your interests. In the earlier years, say at University, this holds true. Young people who don't have many other commitments and are supposed to be there anyway, are able to find their own "tribe". At this time, travel time isn't an issue. As people start having to go to work, and travel time is now utilised for breadwinning, there's not as much time and energy slack left over for maintaining in person relationships. Then having children exacerbates this.

So, now you don't talk to your neighbours because people do not group their housing arrangements around their interests, but around market pressures.

So with sprawl, now everyone has to commute to see their friends. People also have to commute to go about their daily business such as grocery shopping. This means that you can't just "swing by" someone else's house, because they might not be there and you've wasted your time. So we ring ahead. This information sharing to be time efficient became an anxiety of "am I bothering X", which now means those calls don't happen as often either. Now everything has to be scheduled, and anyone who can't fit it in is screwed.

There's also one more keyword which I think isn't mentioned here enough. Career. I have felt guilty at times for doing my utmost to maintain my one free night a week to meet our friends meetup schedule. We shouldn't feel this. The pressure for careers and work cuts too often cuts out the final bit of capacity we have left to maintain even some relationships.

So in summary, people who have common interests are spread out by market forces, increasing commute times, forcing scheduling of time together, and that possibility is then snuffed out by the pressures of needing and income or looking after children.

Rehomogenisation of interests is unlikely to happen, and probably shouldn't. Children aren't going away. So that means the two points to address are: Urban sprawl and career pressures. There needs to be more government oversight that is not completely undermined by corporate interests (I'm sure most large corporations would be more than happy if your work mates were the only human contact you had). That government oversight needs to strengthen the regulations around building of decent apartment complexes, not cash cows, because we want people to live in them, not rush out to the edges of suburbia because they can only afford either a garbage apartment or to move out to the suburban edge. Career pressures are best addressed by increasing people's job mobility. People who are anxious about losing their job do not have mobility. If someones workplace is unreasonable about their time, they're going to frequently be unable to schedule things with friends.

Re: Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends, a survey has found

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If you're an average single man the world hates you. The public considers you a liability that has to be written off in order to stay consistent and most people expect you to hurt them in some way.

I'm a single man. Maybe not "average", whatever that means, but ignore that.

Who would hate me or expect me to hurt them solely because of my relationship status? And why?

Do you have any evidence to back up your claims?

Re: Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends, a survey has found

#348
I feel the real reason really is just lack of time. It takes a serious amount of time to make and maintain a friendship.

This comes to a point with a family because you have so little extra time that you're very careful to use it wisely. To spend the hours hanging out and getting to know 10 strangers well enough that 1 may become a close friend is just a hard trade-off to make.

As another comment said, it makes one feel selfish. Especially, when that was time you could have spent with your wife and kids. It's hard.

The other thing I think we humans really end up dealing with is being alone. As you age, you simply have fewer and fewer friends. They die. You have less to offer to younger folks and are less mobile to get out. If anything, I think perfecting the ability to make friends would be handy. But I think in doing so, those friends would likely not be "deep" relationships...which gets back again to time.

Re: Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends, a survey has found

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seattle suburbs. Coding, videogames, cars. I've recently fell out of all of my hobbies and even stopped playing online games where I had some community going on.

This is basically a promotion since I'm the organizer. I'm hosting a developer's conference called Handmade Seattle this November, where lots of cool and personal coding projects will be showcased. You could show up with no expectations of making connections, but, you never know.

I'm in Seattle as well, and this looks neat. Will check it out and try to attend.
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