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Re: The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving

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Post by RobertRoberts »

balfirevic wrote: post #55
RobertRoberts wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but I found something more specific. I tracked weight loss for a month. Eating only one meal a day. I recorded multiple times a day my weight. Only in the morning did I actually record any "loss". So, I did some tests for this. I stayed up all night to see if I lost weight in the morning like every other day, but I didn't. I slept, woke up in the afternoon, and I had lost .5 pounds from the previous day. Someth…

> I stayed up all night to see if I lost weight in the morning like every other day, but I didn't. Did you drink water during that time?

No, I wanted to compare apples to apples to ensure it was a specific effect happening.

Re: The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving

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Post by RobertRoberts »

UnFleshedOne wrote: post #250
RobertRoberts wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Your experimental methodology is flawed because it fails to control for water loss. I absolutely tested for water loss. What I found was that some extra (?) water retained until we sleep. And that something happens with fat or other processing that occurs during sleep. Again, I charted my weight carefully multiple times a day over a month. Carefully testing when weight loss occured. I Recorded my diet as well as my…

Imagine that fat gets burned at the exact moment when you eat or drink anything. On your chart, even if it is realtime, you would see weight gain, then later during the day and night you pee and exhale little more than if that fat burn didn't happen. But that burn is say 1% of intake and it gets spread over few hours. Would your tracking method allow you to detect the moment of weight loss in this hypothetical scenar…

I don't think so, I can't say for sure when fat is burned or anything like that. I agree that it has to be done while you are using energy during the day.

Some people seem to be thinking that I am saying "fat only gets burned during sleep" which is just absurd, and I am not suggesting that at all.

I think if I was to make a theory it would be something like "fat used up during the day produces waste that is partly stored in the body after being used, but during sleep is when this waste is collected and expelled in the urine." Maybe poorly worded but sums up my thinking right now.

This is a rough guess, but since I haven't seen anything like this reported anywhere I figured it's worth sharing the experience.

Re: The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving

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Post by RobertRoberts »

kerkeslager wrote: post #203
RobertRoberts wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Your experimental methodology is flawed because it fails to control for water loss. I absolutely tested for water loss. What I found was that some extra (?) water retained until we sleep. And that something happens with fat or other processing that occurs during sleep. Again, I charted my weight carefully multiple times a day over a month. Carefully testing when weight loss occured. I Recorded my diet as well as my…

A humorous conclusion we can draw from your posts is that if you're losing weight while you sleep and the weight comes out through urine, this must mean you urinate while you sleep. ;)

Well, people are taking my statements wrong. I didn't mean to imply you "lose weight while you sleep", I meant to more clearly state "the fat you've already used, doesn't get expelled until you sleep". Again, a working theory to explain an observed effect.

Re: The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving

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Post by atlih »

scarface74 wrote: post #51
RobertRoberts wrote: post #9

I did tests for weight loss. I found that you don't lose weight until you sleep. (stay up all night and weigh your self repeatedly, in the morning, no loss, but after you sleep and wake, your weight goes back to "morning weight") I found that if you don't sleep well, you don't lose as much. If you eat too late before going to bed, you don't lose as much. If you adjust your diet (however you want is my experience) to…

I hate to be blunt. But this is as much pseudoscience as the anti vaxers. Losing weight and gaining weight is simple physics. There is also a big difference between losing weight based on water weight and losing real body mass. I sweat like a pig anytime I work out. I use to teach two hour fitness classes and even now after the end of a workout, I’ve “lost 5 pounds” but that’s pure water weight. I’m burning around 10…

CICO implies equal weight to all foods, it's moronic. White sugar has less calories, 407 calories per 100 grams than peanuts have for example, 567 calories per 100 grams. Let's do an experiment, I'll eat 502 grams of peanuts per day (2835 calories) while you eat 700 grams of white sugar per day (2835 calories). Surely it will have the same effect according to CICO.

Re: The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #256
scarface74 wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But not causation and still didn’t explain whether that could be explained by the standard CICO equation.

CICO is a copout. Calories in is relatively simple. Calories out is hideously complex. When people describe weird things that metabolism does, real or fake, they're things that shift the Calories Out numbers way beyond the simple results you get from body composition and exercise level. There are so many separate ways for calories to go "out", too. So it gets used in this unfair double-standard way, where managing we…

> Calories in is relatively simple.

There are at least two categories of issues that make calories in not so simple: eating disorders and malabsorption disorders.

Re: The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving

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Post by chrisfinne »

Touche wrote: post #57
castlecrasher2 wrote: post #37

Eat less, lose weight. I read long ago that if you want to maintain weight, eat until you're a little bit hungry. If you want to lose weight, eat until you're still pretty hungry. I've been following the latter on and off over the years, and have been doing it again for the past 8 weeks and have lost a pound a week. I've found it to be much easier than calculating BMR/caloric rate then calculating calories and settin…

I've found that to be true as well. One thing I do is I eat before dinner (especially when going out for dinner). If I'm really hungry I'll order the largest thing on the menu and overeat. If I have a banana before going out I'll make a wiser choice. Losing weight is all about hunger management. Eat free foods like fruits and vegetables when you're hungry. Eat 3 balanced meals a day. That's it, that's all it takes. I…

All true, unless you do a low-carb diet. Once your body adjusts (2-3 weeks for me), your hunger feelings are significantly dampened because your blood sugar is always stable. This is why low-carb diets are considered "easier" by many people.

Re: The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving

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Post by asdff »

jacobwilliamroy wrote: post #169
castlecrasher2 wrote: post #37

Eat less, lose weight. I read long ago that if you want to maintain weight, eat until you're a little bit hungry. If you want to lose weight, eat until you're still pretty hungry. I've been following the latter on and off over the years, and have been doing it again for the past 8 weeks and have lost a pound a week. I've found it to be much easier than calculating BMR/caloric rate then calculating calories and settin…

You can actually eat more and still lose weight. You just have to eat foods that are low in calories, like cruciferous vegetables, water-based oatmeal, brown rice. You can eat a few apples and still be eating fewer calories than if you ate a single bran muffin. The whole carbohydrates in the apple also mean that you're less likely to spike your blood sugar and experience glycation, than if you were to eat the process…

If you eat nothing but pounds of lettuce you will starve

Re: The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving

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Post by kerkeslager »

RobertRoberts wrote: post #342
UnFleshedOne wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine that fat gets burned at the exact moment when you eat or drink anything. On your chart, even if it is realtime, you would see weight gain, then later during the day and night you pee and exhale little more than if that fat burn didn't happen. But that burn is say 1% of intake and it gets spread over few hours. Would your tracking method allow you to detect the moment of weight loss in this hypothetical scenar…

I don't think so, I can't say for sure when fat is burned or anything like that. I agree that it has to be done while you are using energy during the day. Some people seem to be thinking that I am saying "fat only gets burned during sleep" which is just absurd, and I am not suggesting that at all. I think if I was to make a theory it would be something like "fat used up during the day produces waste that is partly st…

> I think if I was to make a theory it would be something like "fat used up during the day produces waste that is partly stored in the body after being used, but during sleep is when this waste is collected and expelled in the urine."

And how did you detect the fat waste in your urine?

> This is a rough guess, but since I haven't seen anything like this reported anywhere I figured it's worth sharing the experience.

The reason you didn't see anything like this reported anywhere is that it's not true.

Experience is something I can't argue with. I can't argue, for example, that you lost weight. However, you've stepped well beyond just "reporting your experience" here. In what way did you "experience" expelling fat waste products through your urine? The answer is, you didn't--you experienced expelling water.

You're not adding to our collective knowledge by reporting your subjective interpretations here. You're propagating misinformation.

Re: The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving

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Post by RobertRoberts »

kerkeslager wrote: post #307
RobertRoberts wrote: post #291

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>How do you think you tested for water loss? Over time. I was not dehydrated at the end of the month, but I was 15+ 1bs lighter, and my neck, waist and limbs were slimmer. >do you really think you're the first person to research this? Nope, I have no such illusions. I find though that science _requires_ discussion to move forward. And I found a phenomenon. I can't explain the details, but the results are sound. I thi…

> Over time. I was not dehydrated at the end of the month, but I was 15+ 1bs lighter, and my neck, waist and limbs were slimmer. That establishes what month you lost fat in. It does not establish what time of day you lost fat in. It does not establish that you lost fat through your urine. I totally believe you that you lost weight in a month; I'm not objecting to to that claim. The claims you made that I am objecting…

This is getting too long to respond to all of these. So I will just address your first points:

>1. That you know what time of day you lost weight in.

I have no idea when _fat_ was processed, never my point. I know _exactly_ when my weight diminished. (I feel like I did not make this point very clear before)

>2. That you know you lost weight primarily through your urine.

>You did not control for water weight when testing either of these hypotheses.

It is well understood method to weigh yourself every morning to ensure you aren't measuring water weight loss. Feel free to argue against this standard, it's not my personal belief. I do believe doctors and physical trainers, etc... all use this standard.

Re: The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving

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Post by RobertRoberts »

kerkeslager wrote: post #348
RobertRoberts wrote: post #342

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think so, I can't say for sure when fat is burned or anything like that. I agree that it has to be done while you are using energy during the day. Some people seem to be thinking that I am saying "fat only gets burned during sleep" which is just absurd, and I am not suggesting that at all. I think if I was to make a theory it would be something like "fat used up during the day produces waste that is partly st…

> I think if I was to make a theory it would be something like "fat used up during the day produces waste that is partly stored in the body after being used, but during sleep is when this waste is collected and expelled in the urine." And how did you detect the fat waste in your urine? > This is a rough guess, but since I haven't seen anything like this reported anywhere I figured it's worth sharing the experience. T…

> And how did you detect the fat waste in your urine?

I didn't have a method to test for fat in urine. But I could measure the fat loss around my waist, neck and limbs over time. Lots of science works in this way where you can't measure something directly, so you must use the surrounding effects to measure it, it's totally valid measuring technique.

>expelling fat waste products through your urine? The answer is, you didn't--you experienced expelling water.

If you want to argue that fat turns into water, and then water goes out as urine, then I agree with you 100% (though I'd argue it's not pure water), and I would add that that process seems to be only be fully completed after sleeping. (experimental proof of this can be demonstrated by anyone with a scale that is able to stay up all night)

Mayo Clinic: "These waste products — water and carbon dioxide — are excreted in your urine and sweat or exhaled from your lungs."

https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/weight-loss/exp...

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