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As incomes rise in China people will demand other things from the government than food, shelter and a comfortable middle class life. Hong Kong was ahead of the rest of China since they have been living pretty liberal under UK rule and were more prosperous. Whatever they do in Hong Kong now will not stop from things happening all over China at a given point.

People in the Middle East did exactly that, only to lose everything they had before.

Doesn't look like China will fall for this again after the West has gone out of its way setting up examples around the world to convince them it doesn't work.

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I heard a good phrase for that: "you need to be pretty stupid to appoint yourself a president for life" In other words, great villains have exit plans, bad ones don't

Well Chinese has been ruling by lifelong kings and dictators like Mao for thousands of years. Democracy doesn’t have a great foundation there and it just need years of cultivation through education or whatever. The culture also somewhat aligned with the “do greater good” and “society should be unionized” ideology which doesn’t make lifelong leaders look like a stupid idea

This is a common argument that Chinese/East-Asian culture makes democracy extremely difficult. The prime counter examples are Taiwan, South Korea, and even Japan. Similar cultural background, but all are able to operate in a liberal democracy in a relatively short amount of time.

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Thing is that China is nearing point where it has to let creative destruction happen to grow more and it is very hard to achieve under current model.

Citation please

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/01/opinion/sunday/friedman-w... and particulary last chapter of Why Nations Fail.

Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong

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In another 10 to 20 years that won't matter with Moore's law slowing down. Globally competitive foundaries are one of the CCP's goals, and the same slow down that let TSMC surpase Intel will let some Chinese foundary surpass or equal TSMC. Their competitive edge is going to erode away to commodification (albeit for those who can stomach.the huge capital investment).

TSMC has never been very competitive with Intel. Intel has long been a leader in semiconductor manufacturing, but they almost exclusively used it for making their own chips; they weren't a contract fab. TSMC, on the other hand, has always been a contract manufacturer.

So following that logic Intel's fab has no competitors. : /

Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong

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Never underestimate the persuasive power of a regime murdering several thousand people in plain sight. I remember thinking the same thing about the Arab Spring in 2009.

Arab Spring started in late 2010, if I'm not wrong.

Oh weird, you're right. I had the clearest memory of where I was and the blog posts I wrote at the time about it. But actually it was Iran I was thinking of - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Iranian_presidential_elec...

Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong

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Such things change by the day, you have to understand that. The PRC government does not publish a exhaustive list of what's being banned at the moment. It wouldn't surprise me either, that the decision was made not by Xi, but by someone who wanted to appease him or the part or whatever.

I’m currently in Mainland China for a few months. Just searched and surely it’s totally fine: - Winnie the Pooh Baidu search: https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/49120719/62957954-... - Baidu image search featuring both Winnie and Xi: https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/49120719/62958027-... (Memes are filtered or at least demoted, though.) My local friends don’t think it was ever banned. (Of course they…

The ban was a long time ago, in 2017.

https://www.hk01.com/中國/105476/太像習近平-小熊維尼-慘遭-河蟹

Of course you wouldn't have problem about it now.

Yes, there are a lot of stupid claims a out China in the western press, but there are easily equally, if not more, absurd claims about USA in China too.

Same for Europe, the Middle East, Africa, so on and so forth.

BTW, maybe try 8964 八九六四 and see what you get.

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Other than the US and Britain and a token force from Australia, which western countries invaded Iraq?

Estonia, Salvador, Bulgaria, Moldova, Albania, Ukraine, Denmark, Czech Republic, South Korea, Tonga, Azerbaijan, Singapore, Bosnia and Hercegovina, Macedonia, Latvia, Poland, Kazakhstan, Armenia, Mongolia, Georgia, Slovakia, Lithuania, Italy, Spain, Thailand, Philippines, Iceland... and some more https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-National_Force_%E2%80%93...

Thanks for the correction; didn't realize Mongolia was a western country.

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The Cultural Revolution is IMO something entirely different. To me it's a movement started by a dictator with the aim to consolidate power and purge the system of dissident voices. I'd love to hear other perspectives.

It is much more complicated than that. It was a protest for change that started it with mao’s consent, but quickly spiraled out of control, beyond even Mao’s control. Even before Mao’s death it was being vigorously disavowed and many of its victims were rehabilitated. The CR made the party fear chaos above all else. HK actually learned the same lesson under the British during the same timeframe (Maoist protesters alm…

May I know your sources for further study?

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> Hong Kong was ahead of the rest of China since they have been living pretty liberal under UK rule and were more prosperous. No. HK people are not enjoying enough middle-class comfort and prosperity. Precisely, HK's income inequality is even worse than mainland China (0.537 vs. 0.467). And because HK has historically been more liberal, it's a subject of many rich and powerful, especially the demand from mainland peo…

> HK people are not enjoying enough middle-class comfort and prosperity. > Precisely, HK's income inequality is even worse than mainland China I'm not claiming you are wrong but inequality may not be tied to prosperity directly. For example, I have £10,000,000 and all the people on my street only have £1000,000. That's high inequality. Someone in rural china has RMB 2,000, the rest of the village has RMB 1,000 Much l…

I was not clear.

Inequity + high commodity price (housing being one of the most important foundation of comfort) translate to majority of the population are suffering.

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When I read statements like this, I always think of a quote by Noam Chomsky: "Violence usually works."

History proves this. Only modern democracies don't have the stomach for it.

It's worth reading the entire quite, because (if you buy his argument) your second sentence is not nearly true:

"One is the fact that terrorism works. It doesn’t fail. It works. Violence usually works. That’s world history. Secondly, it’s a very serious analytic error to say, as is commonly done, that terrorism is the weapon of the weak. Like other means of violence, it’s primarily a weapon of the strong, overwhelmingly, in fact. It is held to be a weapon of the weak because the strong also control the doctrinal systems and their terror doesn’t count as terror. Now that’s close to universal. I can’t think of a historical exception, even the worst mass murderers view the world that way. So pick the Nazis. They weren’t carrying out terror in occupied Europe. They were protecting the local population from the terrorisms of the partisans. And like other resistance movements, there was terrorism. The Nazis were carrying out counter terror. Furthermore, the United States essentially agreed with that. After the war, the US army did extensive studies of Nazi counter terror operations in Europe. First I should say that the US picked them up and began carrying them out itself, often against the same targets, the former resistance. But the military also studied the Nazi methods published interesting studies, sometimes critical of them because they were inefficiently carried out, so a critical analysis, you didn’t do this right, you did that right, but those methods with the advice of Wermacht officers who were brought over here became the manuals of counter insurgency, of counter terror, of low intensity conflict, as it is called, and are the manuals, and are the procedures that are being used. So it’s not just that the Nazis did it. It’s that it was regarded as the right thing to do by the leaders of western civilization, that is us, who then proceeded to do it themselves. Terrorism is not the weapon of the weak. It is the weapon of those who are against ‘us’ whoever ‘us’ happens to be. And if you can find a historical exception to that, I’d be interested in seeing it."

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