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Lambda School fined $75k by CA for operating without state approval [pdf]

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I do mean this completely naively, as I was not even aware that "exchanging knowledge for money" required a license before this, but why do you feel this way? I'm so shocked that this isn't simply about certification (aka, you can't give out some sort of officially accepted slip of paper without a license, which I would at least be able to come up with arguments for), that I am really curious as to how this is an iss…

Training is different from Knowledge. My understanding is that what is regulated is an institution making promises that they will give you marketable skills against a substantial amount of money. This is regulated because a lot of people get abused in similar situations.

Does Lambda School directly exchange it for money ?

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And this is why we need more regulations on the "Bootcamp" industry: https://twitter.com/KeziyahL/status/1155154616281178114

This needs to be higher up. HN reserves skepticism for so many bootcamps but throw all their judgement out the window when it comes with Lambda School.

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Can someone tell me what a Lambda school is? From the comments here it appears its a specific class of school. From their site it just looks like a regular online learning company.

It's a scammy, for-profit, private school that charges $30k+ for online classes. Edit: 20k up front, versus 30k if taken out of your salary over 2 years. That's around 20% interest. They mention that payments are 17% of your income, but this is calculated pre-tax and paid after taxes.

I have no horse in this race, but AFAIK Lambda School courses are live and not online.

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post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a scammy, for-profit, private school that charges $30k+ for online classes. Edit: 20k up front, versus 30k if taken out of your salary over 2 years. That's around 20% interest. They mention that payments are 17% of your income, but this is calculated pre-tax and paid after taxes.

I have no horse in this race, but AFAIK Lambda School courses are live and not online.

Lambda School is both live and online

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25 lbs of paperwork to register an online school? Sounds less about protecting students and more towards protecting incumbents and cronies.

The real fun ones are where we have to submit the curriculum for approval every time we make a change (considering we make small tweaks to curriculum every day - they did not plan for that use case). Good thing there are APIs for printing and mailing changes to a diff :)

Curious, what kind of changes are you making to the curriculum every day that would require you to submit them to the state for approval?

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That seems exceptionally unfair. They’re very up front about what they charge, how they charge it, and whether or not you even pay anything at all. I got a lot out of my overall college experience and so I probably wouldn’t opt for it, but if one of my kids was only interested in software development, I would suggest they attend Lambda School with no reservations whatsoever.

People who don't like the idea of capitalism in general tend to not be huge fans of Lambda School. But we only get paid $30k in the case where you get a software engineering job after Lambda School that pays $85k+. Everyone else pays less, and absolutely no one pays more than $30k. Our upfront tuition for the nine-month, full-time course is $20k if paid upfront.

85k? I thought it was 50k.

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After reading this thread and considering it, the regulations seem fine, but lack of consistency between states seems to be a large pain-pont. I realize California isn't just "any" state but needing to seek unique approval from up to all 50 states just to run an online school seems like a really high (and expensive) bar. It would be nice if more states cooperated on things like this. Then you seek approval from the c…

The "lack of consistency" between state regulations is a feature, not a bug. States are Laboratories of democracy.

it might be a feature, but the side effect of the messy complexity is still a bug

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It’s true. Our counsel informed us that we didn’t need to register. Counsel was wrong. Now we have new counsel :) We’ve submitted all the paperwork and have worked closely with California. This all happened a long time ago. I’m not sure what the right level of regulation is (it’s hard taking care of 50 states at once - one state registration was 2,277 pages and weighed 25 pounds https://twitter.com/austen/status/1153…

25 lbs of paperwork to register an online school? Sounds less about protecting students and more towards protecting incumbents and cronies.

Government measures quality by weighing the paperwork. That registration must have added immeasurably to the quality of the offering.
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