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Post by fzeroracer »

homonculus1 wrote: post #285
whatshisface wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He was accusing the parents of aiding a conspiracy to stage a fake shooting. I can imagine being a parent who has just lost a child, only to be told that I was lying, and that my child either never existed or was still alive. It's a real ideological litmus test - exactly how turned can your stomach get before you call for an exception to free speech?

So he wasn't directing anybody to commit a crime? It's a deplorable scenario, but free exchange of ideas and beliefs still requires protection. The consequences of losing it are in the long-term far greater than personal grief.

Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?

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Post by deanCommie »

jquery wrote: post #258
deanCommie wrote: post #230

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I think that's unnecessarily alarmist. Nobody is saying "Free Speech is a racist idea. However, Free Speech OF racist ideas is a racist idea.

In the age where people like Ben Shapiro are identified as "alt-right white supremacists" I don't have much confidence in the ability of people to identify racist content. Here's a post where I go into more thinking on the matter that doesn't need to be repeated here - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20184914

Ben Shapiro was the most popular role model for Alexandre Bissonette, a very clear alt-right white supremacist[1]. Before you dismiss Shapiro's responsibility in stoking these ideals, you should watch this in-depth breakdown of his perspectives and ideals[2]. I know it's a lot to ask to watch an hour long youtube video, but it is thorough to dot all the i's and cross all the t's.

Shapiro even stokes anti-semitic rhetoric by distinguishing between "ethnic jews" (The Woody Allens of the world, but more broadly liberal hollywood elite jews) and "cultural/religious jews" (Morally-clear good-minded folk like himself). The video covers it.

This is how he reconciles his alt-right allies who are anti-semitic and white nationalist, yet use Shapiro as a shield to protect their heinous opinions.

And this is before we get to any of his perspectives on arabs, which another commenter already addressed.

[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/04/18...

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDMjgOYOcDw

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Post by djflutt3rshy »

gen3 wrote: post #15

Does this mean that all the reverse engineering videos, con talks, prof of exploit demos, CTF walkthroughs', and fuzzing tutorials will be removed? What about videos showing me how to use tools like Twistlock? Will they be exempt, but videos about burp be banned? What constitutes a "secure" computer system? Side note, I guess its time to fire up youtube-dl. Are there any channels that need to be archived? I normally…

Next up, banning video tutorials on how to use youtube-dl.

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Post by analognoise »

darkpuma wrote: post #337
ac29 wrote: post #334

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It's only a fallacy if there is no demonstrable slope.

It's only a fallacy if you think YouTube owes anyone free platform access and to uphold free speech as a private entity. They don't.

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Post by Rebelgecko »

TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #159
sarcasmatwork wrote: post #7

Youtube updating its policy to ban videos they have already monetized from, while the creators get nothing. Youtube is a monopoly. Creators need to get off YT, and onto something else if it exists.

There are alternatives. For years I've been following content creators who upload their content to multiple services because they saw the writing on the wall. Bitchute: https://www.dailymotion.com/us Dailymotion: https://www.dailymotion.com/us PeerTube: https://joinpeertube.org/

Some of the banned/demonetized firearms videos have also moved on to sites like Full30 and pornhub

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Post by Nasrudith »

I suspect the issue isn't YouTube per se but society. While they bear responsibility for their decisions any big entity which becomes the "mainstream" will receive the same pressure. With advertiser backing based on what they /think/ is good for their image regardless of what people other than the many noisy minorities (like every yellow journalist seeking a new moral panic) of all sorts think.

And rather than anyone involved learning they will push hard to be "more like TV" which we have been seeing for years on YouTube with every adpocalyose. If we cannot fix the underlying problem we are doomed to reoccurrence.

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Post by ysavir »

Liquix wrote: post #74
sarcasmatwork wrote: post #7

Youtube updating its policy to ban videos they have already monetized from, while the creators get nothing. Youtube is a monopoly. Creators need to get off YT, and onto something else if it exists.

> if it exists Herein lies the problem.. Most creators/uploaders know on some level that YT is a toxic monopoly and would be happy to jump ship. Granted some more than others, but I've never observed any sense of loyalty towards the platform - it's just where everyone goes to share and watch videos. However, switching to vimeo/DTube/flixxo/etc means less views and smaller paychecks. Why would content creators in the…

I'm glad you brought this up. This was the exact question I had a few years ago, when I began developing my idea for a solution.

What I considered to be the best approach is to break apart the idea of hosting content and sharing content with your audience in the same place. If you can share in one place and host in another, then switching content hosts ceases to be a problem; You can transfer your content to a different host while preserving the space in which you share, losing no audience or traction in the process.

I'm currently in the process of launching this platform, called MyNexus. If you'd like to learn more, or know anyone searching for a solution to these problems, my email is yaniv@mynexus.io.

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Post by im3w1l »

britch wrote: post #195
bin0 wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We took a step too low and need to climb back up This is not going to happen; we will keep sliding. We are not the ones doing the stepping, because we do not control the platform. What we can do is persuade people to use distributed and/or federated alternatives.

Using "we" was a bad choice by me. I was trying to say that this is not the natural end of a "slippery slope" of removing hateful/violent videos from YouTube. I don't think this was an inevitability of moderation. It is possible to have a "YouTube" that left educational material up. It was a choice by a powerful corporation acting in the interest of other powerful forces. If they had a real competitor they might be u…

People have a natural tendency to project their opinions on their own side.

I think part of it is rose-tinted glasses and part of it is people with divergent goals keeping quiet until the time is ripe.

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Post by jrjrk02n »

Liquix wrote: post #117

Emperor G built a beautiful walled city, inviting everyone in, encouraging them to paint their houses whatever color they like. A year later, Big G banned blue houses. If you didn't like the rules, you were more than welcome to build your house outside the city and paint it whatever color you like. Only most people don't leave - blue is just one color and they weren't very interested in it anyway. Besides, the city i…

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