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Re: Public protest against Amazon

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jcrites wrote: post #167
org3432 wrote: post #12

This kind of retribution is pretty normal from the companies I've worked it, it's clumsy that it ended up in writing here and a bit more vicious than usual with a child involved. Normally it's done offline in private conversations or simply as something that's understood between like minded managers with passing comments. One manager I had was pretty candid about it, he said he couldn't find another job and was looki…

> One manager I had was pretty candid about it, he said he couldn't find another job and was looking to retire so he was going to give me a bad performance review despite actually being the top performer so he wouldn't be affected. How would he be affected by giving you a well-deserved good performance review? I don't understand.

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Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by jarsin »

skookumchuck wrote: post #271
stronglikedan wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm of the mind that only good comes of it. It's very therapeutic and who cares what they think anymore. Besides, that's one of the few things that no one faults you for - it's almost expected. I highly recommend it.

When your date starts trash-talking their ex, they'll do it to you, too. When a prospective employee trash-talks their former employer, they'll do it to you, too. No hire.

If they do it in front of you they will do it to you - Dr Phil

Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by SamReidHughes »

mirceal wrote: post #279
SamReidHughes wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's talking about a country of birth, not a race. It's better not to go around worrying about whether somebody will call you racist. It would be nice if I could read an HN thread without people bitching about Indians though.

depending on how you define race (if you look at it in the broader trrm of ethnicity) you can definitely talk about racism.

It's not about ethnicity because these stereotypes completely exclude Indians that grew up in America. Whether you classify it as racist or not, going around classifying stuff as racist is a total non-contribution to the world. Opinions being "racist" per your view does not imply they are incorrect or morally wrong to hold, or express.

(There is something ambitious about remotely diagnosing some guy (by association) to be a cookie-cutter Indian manager, but I'm having a hard time figuring out a way it's more than just unfashionable.)

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Post by all_blue_chucks »

driverdan wrote: post #301
all_blue_chucks wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Software engineer pay at tech companies in the US tends to be $150k for junior engineers to $300k+ for senior engineers.

That's not true at all. That's bay area large companies. The rest of the country is nowhere near those numbers.

I know a handful developers in this pay range and only one of them is in the bay area.

Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by barry-cotter »

JohnFen wrote: post #144
alecco wrote: post #69

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I used to believe that. But I saw very close how an IT union was taken over by old school, corrupt fat union guys. And they just pander to the lowest common denominator. They go against meritocracy. I'd rather pay attention and vote with my feet.

> They go against meritocracy. Not necessarily. You can have union representation and maintain a meritocracy at the same time. But I also observe that the industry is not nearly as much of a meritocracy as we like to pretend anyway.

Unions are supposed to fight for each of their members equally. As such it is in their interest to eliminate performance based pay as much as possible. Increases in pay should be based on time in job (positively) and likelihood of losing job on time in job (negatively). If you have performance based pay someone who’s three times as good might get paid more, or long serving staff might be let go before the newly hired. That is not what the average union member wants, they want security and stability and they work to get it.

Nowhere is a perfect meritocracy but a union that did not actively work against meritocracy would not be working in the interest of its average member.

Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by dodobirdlord »

amzn_throwaway7 wrote: post #335

The author of the article posted their Amazon user name, so I decided to look them up. I'll start with raw data, and then inject my own thoughts: * The author is the bottom contributor on his team by a large margin. Their few contributions are primarily configuration changes and pixel pushes. * The author hasn't made any contributions since last August, likely due to a leave of absence * The author's manager has rece…

For what it's worth, it bears keeping in mind that the tool that you are likely using does not report activity on any parts of the codebase that you personally don't have permission to view. Also, many teams keep codebases out of the standard code store, either in alternative self-managed version control systems or on GitHub.

Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by darkpuma »

tootie wrote: post #228
forgotmypw3 wrote: post #13

I want to preface this comment with a statement that in no way am I trying to blame the victim here, only to point out what can be learned from this situation. This is certainly not the first time I've heard of Amazon being a shitty place to work at, and I don't see much reason to doubt the story of a vindictive boss doing everything they can to make an employee miserable after learning that the employee submitted ba…

I've left some scathing feedback in reviews. Frequently spelled out in a way that they could figure out it was me even if it was anonymous. The trick is to not complain about your treatment, but explain why management is taking actions detrimental to the company. Don't say "boss made me work late and I want to quit". Say "management is overextending the team and it's eroding morale and will likely cause retention iss…

If you come at the king, you best not miss.

Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by amzn_throwaway7 »

dodobirdlord wrote: post #347
amzn_throwaway7 wrote: post #335

The author of the article posted their Amazon user name, so I decided to look them up. I'll start with raw data, and then inject my own thoughts: * The author is the bottom contributor on his team by a large margin. Their few contributions are primarily configuration changes and pixel pushes. * The author hasn't made any contributions since last August, likely due to a leave of absence * The author's manager has rece…

For what it's worth, it bears keeping in mind that the tool that you are likely using does not report activity on any parts of the codebase that you personally don't have permission to view. Also, many teams keep codebases out of the standard code store, either in alternative self-managed version control systems or on GitHub.

I had considered that. This is common in AWS or Lab126, but I've never seen that be the case in Retail.

Edit: Missed the part about permissions, that's totally possible, but at least in publicly visible contributions, he is way behind his teammates.

Re: Public protest against Amazon

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

ambicapter wrote: post #334
TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #318

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I do not possess a credit card for ideological reasons. I do have two debit cards, one Visa and one MasterCard, for redundancy. I see what you are saying and it makes sense. I’m just ideologically opposed to the use of consumer credit for regular / recurring / general living expenses.

If you're ideologically opposed to consumer credit because of the cycles of debt it incurs just pay off your credit card in full every month (which is what I do). No interest will be paid.

I do not have the self control to make that work.

I bet I’m not alone.

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