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Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by byuu »

Kaspar0v wrote: post #273
byuu wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I buy them. I don't like paying for them, but I want a certificate I know will just work for years without having to run certbot or one of its clones on my server. Well, that and LE didn't yet allow wildcard certs when I bought mine. They've already dropped their maximum validity from three to two years though, so I'll probably throw in the towel when they further reduce their validity to less than six months.

A certificate that last for years... That's exactly how you end up with a certificate that expired and no one realized. An automated process is a way more reliable.

Until the automated process breaks. I've encountered more "invalid certificate" warnings on Let's Encrypt sites than any others.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by byuu »

oftenwrong wrote: post #278
byuu wrote: post #253

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I guess I just don't like multi-billion dollar companies coming in and dictating that I change my workflow for their cash grabs.

Then you should not have built your workflow on a non-reserved TLD.

Eh, I'll just keep doing what I've been doing, but thanks.

https://twitter.com/byuu_san/status/1096885634923294720

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by [deleted] »

mhaberl wrote: post #292
byuu wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I buy them. I don't like paying for them, but I want a certificate I know will just work for years without having to run certbot or one of its clones on my server. Well, that and LE didn't yet allow wildcard certs when I bought mine. They've already dropped their maximum validity from three to two years though, so I'll probably throw in the towel when they further reduce their validity to less than six months.

Let's Encrypt certs are valid for 90 days. There are 2 reasons: 1. To limit damage from key compromise and mis-issuance 2. To encourage automation. What is the issue with running the certbot on your server? It's not like you have to run it manually. Here are official reasons: https://letsencrypt.org/2015/11/09/why-90-days.html P.S. Wildcard certs are available for almost a year now: https://community.letsencrypt.org/…

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Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by 18pfsmt »

dystopianqt wrote: post #319
tinco wrote: post #286

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I think their 8.8.8.8 DNS server has a pretty impressive track record for I think over 10 years. I know many people who changed their dns to 8.8.8.8 when they thought their DNS was shitty. Back in highschool (15yrs ago) pinging a DNS server was something I sometimes did when fixing people's internet, always used 212.142.28.66. No idea why it's still in my head so much later, 8.8.8.8 sure is a lot easier to remember.

And so is 1.1.1.1

Which is cloudflare's IP, to be clear. I'm a fan, but I like transparency.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by pmart123 »

willmadden wrote: post #195

Alphabet has too much cash. They have a well established track record of enthusiastically backing exciting new projects way outside of their core competency just to dump them like hot garbage several years later. They also compete in random new industries each time this happens. It doesn't seem like a smart move to lease a domain from a politically active mega-monopoly that might decide to randomly become your compet…

Haha. I totally agree. As a shareholder, I almost feel like an activist campaign is needed. Sure, Verily and Waymo are interesting moonshots, but then the rollout of Youtube Plus or Premium seems like the most mismanaged rollout of a big tech company outside of the Amazon phone. Why is Google bothering with domain registry is a good question. Google code probably could have been what GitHub had it not been abandoned is another example of mismanaging product or service vision.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by CydeWeys »

18pfsmt wrote: post #334
CydeWeys wrote: post #313

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Premium prices are set at the registry level, and for Google's TLDs, are charged annually. The EAP fee is a one time only up-front cost. Domains being sold by resellers are something different entirely, but yeah, some registrars that participate in reseller networks may lump those in as "premium" as well, which is confusing. Those prices tend to be one-time acquisition costs.

Because this is your area of expertise, can I ask you why more registrars are not selling 10 or 20 year domain ownership? Who wants a domain for just a year (if you agree with the premise behind individuals owning domains in the first place)? If I could buy a domain for 50 years, I'd do it.

Most TLDs allow registration lengths up to 10 years. And registrars will happily sell you registration for 10 years. Buy the domain, then immediately renew it for 9 years. I suspect the reason they don't offer a choice of registration years in the initial checkout flow is to reduce purchasing friction -- they don't want you to have to make another choice and then potentially back out of the sale. It's the same reason e-commerce sites will ask you for as little information as they can get away with when checking out your cart; for digital sales many retailers just do zip code instead of full address since they're not shipping anything.

As for longer registration periods than that, I suspect it's the same reason you can't, e.g., call up your cable company and try to pre-pay 50 years of service. They have no idea what things will be like that far down the road, and they don't want to have such longstanding obligations weighing on them.

It comes down to business decisions, not technical issues; technically speaking the spec allows for up to a 99 year registration period, though I'm not aware of any TLDs that support that. https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5731#section-2.5

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by 18pfsmt »

vtange wrote: post #201
whatshisface wrote: post #181

A while ago, some posts on HN went around saying that you shouldn't use third-world TLDs for your startup because some of them are unreliable stewards who would put your domain at risk. Does registering a .dev domain make you dependent on Google in the same way that registering a .ly makes you dependent on Libya?

There was this one guy who lost a valuable Twitter handle due to him using his custom domain email (via GoDaddy) as a login email.[0] I'd like to think imagine Google is better than GoDaddy when it comes to security and fighting social-engineering attacks but who knows. But if Google is a weak link wouldn't that also mean all our gmails are not as safe as we think? [0] https://medium.com/@N/how-i-lost-my-50-000-twitt…

I hate to be that guy, but I honestly hope you don't make decisions based on anecdotes, and instead rely on data.

You are dependent on your vendors, period. Choose them wisely. This is not a mystery.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by davchana »

tehlike wrote: post #255
willmadden wrote: post #195

Alphabet has too much cash. They have a well established track record of enthusiastically backing exciting new projects way outside of their core competency just to dump them like hot garbage several years later. They also compete in random new industries each time this happens. It doesn't seem like a smart move to lease a domain from a politically active mega-monopoly that might decide to randomly become your compet…

To be honest, TLD business is probably not one of them. Even fi google becomes your competitor, they won't touch the domain.

Agreed, for reasons I don’t know exactly, they even donated duck.com to DuckDuckGo

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by sundvor »

nikanj wrote: post #308
OkGoDoIt wrote: post #288

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Along those lines, if Google decides I’m a bot or nefarious developer as seems to mistakenly happen on occasion judging from recent hacker news posts, will I then lose my domain name? Or at least access to it? At this point tying any major asset solely to a Google account feels risky.

And would I have any way to actually reach a human at Google, aside from media heat from a Reddit/HN/etc front page story?

Probably none, going by the track record.

Re: Google .dev domain early access

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Post by mkl »

joshuamorton wrote: post #249
hamilyon2 wrote: post #72

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I heard that old google cloud offering price was increased 10-fold on short notice. Not the same, but close

Thats made up, but ok.

It happened, but in the transition from preview to product, so not at all the same thing as a deprecation.

https://www.informationweek.com/cloud/platform-as-a-service/...

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