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This is one reason some folks prefer Apple. iOS had privacy options at the OS level for years before Android got into the game (yes xPrivacy but not everyone can root)
If you buy a current Android phone, it will have privacy controls for 90% (guesstimate) of apps in the Play Store.
Facebook spamming users via their 2FA phone numbers
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Re: Facebook spamming users via their 2FA phone numbers
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As an ethical UX designer, unethical UX designers/PMs/ need to be shamed for creating/allowing dark pattern in their work. This goes against the fundamental tenets of empathetic UX design and in downright manipulative and bordering evil.
Out of curiosity, who or what has designated you an “ethical UX designer”? I’m sure you could find an Apple designer who would claim that forcing people to upgrade ensures that their device is patched and secure, preventing many potentially livelihood threatening problems down the line, so they are just as ethical of an UX designer as you are, if not more so since you do not want to protect people from their device b…
Re: Facebook spamming users via their 2FA phone numbers
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That kind of response is too cynical, and just discouragement from actually trying to fight the problem.
Cynical? I'd call it realistic. If anyone wants to fight the problem, delete your account. That is the only value that you can take away from that company.
That's what all cynics say.
> If anyone wants to fight the problem, delete your account. That is the only value that you can take away from that company.
No, that's clearly false. You can use your account to spread an understanding that Facebook is bad (lots of stuff in the news to share, like this), or you could abandon your account but leave it up with a profile pic saying you don't use it anymore (sort of like a reverse take on broken-windows theory). Politics and lobbying representatives is slow, but does have results (all the lobbyists in the world can't counter steady constituent calls on a non-partisan issue). But you're a cynic, and probably gave up before giving much though about what could be done.
Re: Facebook spamming users via their 2FA phone numbers
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This is one reason some folks prefer Apple. iOS had privacy options at the OS level for years before Android got into the game (yes xPrivacy but not everyone can root)
So, enable Netflix notifications but disable Netflix notifications at a system level? Seems like a silly reason to prefer iOS, considering every modern Android has the same feature.
Re: Facebook spamming users via their 2FA phone numbers
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These things are never spelled out in any plans. They're done piecemeal, by separate teams, incrementally over long development cycles. One team implements 2FA, and they add a way for users to enter their phone numbers as a second factor. The engineers are fine with this because it's for the users' benefit, so they can secure their account. Another team implements the mobile notifications, which a user has to turn on…
Occam's razor suggests otherwise.
This is actually a scarier prospect: it means that a large organization can do unethical things even when almost all individuals involved act ethically. This makes it hard for an individual engineer to ensure that their own actions don't contribute to unethical behaviour.
Re: Facebook spamming users via their 2FA phone numbers
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That thing facebook does with demanding your phone number, that's my favorite dark pattern. Apple does the same thing with iOS upgrades. First you pose a seemingly innocent question, like 'would you like to give us your phone number so we can keep your account secure?' or 'would you like to upgrade to new iOS?'. Then you take away the NO option. You replace it with 'i'll decide later'. And by doing so, you make it no…
When I first opened up the Netflix mobile app and it asked me if I wanted it to show me notifications I thought "hey, that's nice, most apps just start spamming me without asking". I clicked "No thanks" and went on my way. It turns out, though, that it asks that _every_ single time I open the app. It's really annoying and I'm about to allow them only to block them at the OS level.
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I don't use WhatsApp myself but I was surprised to find that members of my extended family (mostly in their 50s) had started using it to stay in touch rather than Facebook. Also, from what I have read, WhatsApp is very popular in UK political circles (MPs, SPADs etc.).
I don't use WhatsApp myself but I was surprised to find that members of my extended family (mostly in their 50s) had started using it to stay in touch rather than Facebook. They're still using Facebook, just one of its other shapes.
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#349Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is one reason some folks prefer Apple. iOS had privacy options at the OS level for years before Android got into the game (yes xPrivacy but not everyone can root)
If you buy a current Android phone, it will have privacy controls for 90% (guesstimate) of apps in the Play Store.
Re: Facebook spamming users via their 2FA phone numbers
#350Earlier quoted context omitted.
That thing facebook does with demanding your phone number, that's my favorite dark pattern. Apple does the same thing with iOS upgrades. First you pose a seemingly innocent question, like 'would you like to give us your phone number so we can keep your account secure?' or 'would you like to upgrade to new iOS?'. Then you take away the NO option. You replace it with 'i'll decide later'. And by doing so, you make it no…
> Then you take away the NO option. You replace it with 'i'll decide later'. And by doing so, you make it not a choice for the user. You make it a statistical guarantee that sooner or later, most users will cave in and hit yes, even if by accident. Fucking YouTube and their "Would you like to merge your account with your Google Account and use your real name forever more? Yes / Soon."
If it really is just that asshole prompt that made the difference, then man, did Facebook fuck up. They should have just blocked people from using WhatsApp until they volunteer their data.