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XPS 13 developer edition 7th generation available

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Re: XPS 13 developer edition 7th generation available

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I regret buying a maxed out XPS 13 a year and a half ago. My list of problems: * Coil whine * Noisy fans * Heat issues * USB-C port has a bad pin (only works in one orientation with pressure) * Charging port inconsistently charges * Bad cell in the battery, so it suddenly shuts off without warning when on battery The charging issues started just around the 12 month mark, so I quickly sent to a repair center under war…

> * Coil whine Damn it Dell, fix this shit. It existed on my HSW XPS 13 developer edition, and this "non-developer edition" KBL XPS 13 I just purchased. I can totally sympathize with problems like this that surface, but I have no sympathy for a company that seems to ignore this issue for several generations. My next development laptop will probably not be an XPS, and will probably not be a Dell.

I got a new XPS 13 9360 at work 3 months ago. I was afraid how bad the coil whine will be, since that was the most common complaint I found on the web about this laptop.

I can't hear any coil whine. Maybe my hearing isn't what it used to be or our office isn't that quiet, but the only thing I hear from this laptop is the fan when it's running at full speed (and that comes up very rarely in my experience so far).

Re: XPS 13 developer edition 7th generation available

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I regret buying a maxed out XPS 13 a year and a half ago. My list of problems: * Coil whine * Noisy fans * Heat issues * USB-C port has a bad pin (only works in one orientation with pressure) * Charging port inconsistently charges * Bad cell in the battery, so it suddenly shuts off without warning when on battery The charging issues started just around the 12 month mark, so I quickly sent to a repair center under war…

I bought an XPS 15, also maxed out, years ago and regretted it also. I had all the power problems you mention, except the random shutoffs. The machine was not really usable for professional work. I now have a Thinkpad X1 Carbon 5th gen. It has no major issues and works reliably, even with Linux as the primary OS. Granted, it was more expensive, but well worth the purchase price.

Looks nice, is it a bios option to switch Fn and Ctrl? That always bugged me about their layout.

Re: XPS 13 developer edition 7th generation available

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So you're on the team? Here's a perspective from a potential buyer. Apple having truly jumped the shark on their MB Pros, I've been mulling on and off about what to do when it's time to replace my current 13" MBP. An XPS 13 or 15 w/Ubuntu is definitely on my radar. But I am a bit scared off by reliability & quality reports. They're only anecdotal & biased samples of course, but there's not much else for a poor consum…

If you are going Dell I think the best bet is to try the Precision 5000 series (pretty equal to XPS 15) and 7000 series (heavier and bulkier but you can really spec these things out). I have an XPS 15 (9550) and I really cannot recommend them. Lots of problems. At least the Precision line is the buisness line which means better support, preinstalled with Linux (so its tested well) and probably from what I have read b…

Both the Precision 5510 and the M3800 I used to have, had issues with the battery swelling. The M3800 was a piece of junk - pretty much what I'd expect when a company that makes $300 laptops uses the same design team to make a $3000 laptop. The 5510 felt much better, but the screen has a bit of discoloration at some of the edges, and while the keyboard is great, the trackpad isn't that good. The speakers are hilariously bad.

The 5510 is a lot more rigid than the 3800 was, but it still isn't rigid enough. I could carry my personal 15" macbook pro all day with one hand while still being able to click the trackpad down. With that 5510, the chassis flexes too much for the trackpad to click when you hold it from one side. And don't get me started about the cheesy chargers Dell uses.

The 5510 was worlds better, I'll admit - and it does a decent enough job running Ubuntu! There's enough to like about the laptop, but not necessarily at the price they charge.

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Dan, I apologize for your experience. If you ever run into something like this again, besides contacting support directly, you can ping @dellcarespro on twitter and, if its related to the developer edition or project Sputnik you can loop me in @barton808. thanks!

Have you ever fixed coil whining? Whenever, I see it I always assume the product is just trash by design.

Come to think of it, my 5510 (xps 15 basically) has a stupidly bad coil whine. Ergh.

Re: XPS 13 developer edition 7th generation available

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you're on the team? Here's a perspective from a potential buyer. Apple having truly jumped the shark on their MB Pros, I've been mulling on and off about what to do when it's time to replace my current 13" MBP. An XPS 13 or 15 w/Ubuntu is definitely on my radar. But I am a bit scared off by reliability & quality reports. They're only anecdotal & biased samples of course, but there's not much else for a poor consum…

If you are going Dell I think the best bet is to try the Precision 5000 series (pretty equal to XPS 15) and 7000 series (heavier and bulkier but you can really spec these things out). I have an XPS 15 (9550) and I really cannot recommend them. Lots of problems. At least the Precision line is the buisness line which means better support, preinstalled with Linux (so its tested well) and probably from what I have read b…

My work laptop is an M3800, though the newer one is the 5510. Pretty solid machines in my experience. We did after market upgrades to some very fast SSD (sorry don't remember which).

That said- I'm staying with the m3800 as long as I can. It's a few years old and my battery needs replacing, but otherwise is very capable. Some people have had docking issues on and off with the 5510 (occasional crashing, though I think it's a driver/software issue), but more importantly it has the awful "Nostril Cam" which is annoying for video meetings.

In general, fast, light, good battery (for perspective, mine lasts 2-3 hours now, vs 5-7 when I got it), useful ports. The keyboard is not the best (home/end/pgup/pgdn keys are fn+arrow instead of dedicated) but very usable. I hated the glossy screen at first, but touchscreen is surprisingly useful and I got past it. I just keep a microfiber cloth in my laptop bag now.

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I've had so many problems with my XPS 13 that I bought in 2016 that I will never buy another one. Killer WiFi card was utter crap, laptop has issues going to sleep and waking up when closing the lid (sometimes it would hang on the the dell screen when trying to wake up and never recover), etc. Purely anecdotal, but a hard pass for me. Lenovo is my new laptop brand of choice.

Which lenovo product would you recommend for a linux laptop?

I use ThinkPad E450 (i7/16GB/SSD/FullHD). Started with Ubuntu 17.04 (unity), updated to 17.10 (gnome), didn't have any problems.

Re: XPS 13 developer edition 7th generation available

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Very cool, but as an owner of the Cube Thinker/i35--which has the same exact 3000x2000 3:2 aspect ratio display as the Surface Book (but costs $500)--I can't imagine why any developer would put up with a 16:9 display. Specially if you have "developer" in your product name, why can't they figure out that 16:9 is not the best aspect ratio for everyone? I write code the whole day, not watch movies. That huge extra verti…

How do you like the Cube Thinker i35? I've been interested in those for a while, it's the only new laptop that's even remotely tempted me from my Lenovo X230T (which I love and highly recommend, particularly as a developer laptop.)

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My first Dell as developer machine is XPS 15 9560 but it is in no way a developer machine: - The thunderbolt dock wire out and laptop USB C are on opposite hands. I have to place my laptop on top of the dock like a giant book resting on a brick. - Awful coil whine on the power adapter. - Touchpad is annoying to use when clicking moves the finger resulting in wrong place click. - Had to replace Killer wifi card with I…

I made a stand out of cardboard, kinda wish they offered something decent out of the box instead of forcing me to get creative with the box.
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