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Re: Reddit CEO Cracks Down on Abusive Content to Protect Users, Attract Advertisers

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Can you define "Islamophobia"? It's a serious question, I don't disagree that there's some prejudice against Islam on the western right. However, a lot of the top posts are ultimately factual claims. Sweden has a rise in grenade attacks and sexual assaults, British police looked the other way when Muslim Men formed a pedophilia group, most terrorism is motivated by Islam, and there are Islamists whose purported goal…

Most of those things you listed are dubious claims at best. However, if you promise you're in good faith, pointing out the crimes of one group disproportionately is a pretty bigoted thing to do. Breitbart had (maybe still does) a section called "Black Crime", in which they exclusively had stories about crimes involving African American people. Hitler's regime would put out news bulletins highlighting crimes committed…

I think it's murkier when one group commits a disproportionate amount of crime - accurate/percise coverage might look disproportionate even though it's actually representative.

I agree that pointing things out can be bigoted, but to the extent that politics addresses questions between friend and foe, it's natural that political expression is bigoted. Feminism is inherently bigoted to the extent that pointing out male dominance is important to the feminist perspective, but I don't think that feminists should be censored just because their discussions might offend people.

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Refusing to provide a free platform for them to publish their thoughts is not in any way, shape, or form equivalent to, or even similar to, the "extermination" committed by Nazis, and desired by their modern adherents.

Save your energy - they just think that reddit banning a pro-racism community or a internet infra company refusing to serve a neo-nazi website basically means that we live in an authoritarian society. Never mind that the slippery slope argument is a known logical fallacy, never mind that these companies are private entities and can do what they like, never mind that if Nazis ever gain power they will literally , phys…

>they just think that reddit banning a pro-racism community or a internet infra company refusing to serve a neo-nazi website basically means that we live in an authoritarian society.

No, I think it's unhealthy and may lead to such a society, not that we live in such. Do not confuse a fear of a possible future with an irrational fear of a present that isn't.

>Never mind that the slippery slope argument is a known logical fallacy,

I hope you're aware of the fallacy fallacy, yes? I think that might clear things atleast partially up.

The problem I see here is that this is a slippery slope that my country has gone down in the past already and it pains me to see tendencies of this happening in the us.

>never mind that these companies are private entities and can do what they like

An argument can be made that sufficiently large social networks (2 million users or more, for example) should be held to the same standard as a government by the nature of exerting a real power over the people in the network.

>never mind that if Nazis ever gain power they will literally, physically exterminate people they don't like

I think you misinterprete the argument. My worry is not Nazis. Not that I would consider the US citizens who claim to be Nazis to be real Nazis (they're more like kids playing lets-pretend in comparison).

My actual worry is people who will be hurt by this that you don't see because you and people who want to silence Nazis are wearing blinders on each side of your head.

If you want to prevent Nazis from taking power, the easiest solution is to find out why these people are doing the things they are doing and going against the root cause. Nazi-ism is merely a symptom.

>never mind all of that

First they came... I think you know how the rest goes. I forgot.

>and that this will continue to happen, no matter what HN libertarians say

The daily stormer is on Tor now, no? Can you censor Tor?

All the pitchforks do is to drive these people into places where they are safe from them and where the most dedicated of their followers can fester and boil the ideology.

>We are moving forward, and what you're seeing is a last-ditch reaction to pro-racism, neo-nazi communities being marginalized.

Maybe. Maybe people are reacting to things you don't want to acknlowedge and not to actual neo-nazi communities being banned.

There are risks there and I do hope you recognize that people who say this is bad are not automatically defending Neo-Nazis. As that too would be a fallacy.

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In Milos case there is soliciting views of neo nazis and video examples of defending child rapists. Quite apart from not wanting your company associated with that content there is probably a legal need to distance ones self to avoid litigation in some countries.

He made a joke about his own experiences as a young gay man on the Joe Rogan podcast. He has continually distanced himself from the Alt-Right and neo-Nazis. He has also recently married his fiance, who is a person of colour.

He sang the US national anthem while a group of white nationalists gave a Nazi salute in front of him, then claimed his myopia prevented him seeing it. It’s a bad comedy at that point.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/milo-yianno...

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How do vote tallies reflect the mods?

If they ban users, those users don't get to vote.

But they don't ban users for their opinions. They have clearly stated rules about civility in discussion — to my knowledge, those rules are the most common purpose for banning in that subreddit. That and spam.

edit: It would actually be kind of interesting to pull those kinds of statistics and display them — for various subreddits.

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I think left "leaning" is a bit understated.

Is there an upper bound on "leaning"?

Leaning just implies that they aren't completely fallen over to one side, which I think is very much the case.

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Trump did very few positive things, so I don't think it's really a fault of "impartiality" if the coverage of him isn't that positive.

I think what Trump himself did is actually irrelevant to the point I'm making. If Trump did many negative things and few positive things, then all news publications need to do is simply report on what he's doing and leave it at that. No editorializing should be necessary. There shouldn't be any need for him to receive 2-3x as much coverage as Clinton. There shouldn't be a need for major news organizations to official…

"I think what Trump himself did is actually irrelevant to the point I'm making."

It's not. They're reporting on what Trump did. If that's mostly negative, then the coverage is, by necessity, going to be mostly negative. You wouldn't be upset that most of the coverage now of Harvey Weinstein or Louis C.K. is negative, would you?

"If Trump did many negative things and few positive things, then all news publications need to do is simply report on what he's doing and leave it at that."

That's what they did.

"There shouldn't be a need for major news organizations to officially endorse this or that candidate."

That's been a tradition for editorial boards for a long time. Note: That's the editorial, or opinion board. Not the newsroom.

"What's so hard about trusting viewers and readers to come to their own conclusions based on honest, simple, accurate, and exhaustive reporting of events and facts?"

Well, for one, everyone knew the same things about Trump, and yet he was elected. But you're really going to have to prove that what you're asking for didn't happen.

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Most of those things you listed are dubious claims at best. However, if you promise you're in good faith, pointing out the crimes of one group disproportionately is a pretty bigoted thing to do. Breitbart had (maybe still does) a section called "Black Crime", in which they exclusively had stories about crimes involving African American people. Hitler's regime would put out news bulletins highlighting crimes committed…

I think it's murkier when one group commits a disproportionate amount of crime - accurate/percise coverage might look disproportionate even though it's actually representative. I agree that pointing things out can be bigoted, but to the extent that politics addresses questions between friend and foe, it's natural that political expression is bigoted. Feminism is inherently bigoted to the extent that pointing out male…

"I think it's murkier when one group commits a disproportionate amount of crime - accurate/percise coverage might look disproportionate even though it's actually representative."

You're gonna have to prove that's the case. In just about every study, it's been shown that, no, the crime rates are not disproportionately higher.

"Feminism is inherently bigoted"

No, it's not. Not in the slightest. Wanting equality only looks bigoted to those who benefit from the inequality.

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You're ignoring the subs which are the same thing, from a leftward slant. It does say some pretty nasty things about mankind, that so many of us love to hate.

Which ones do you have in mind? What left-wing sub is there advocating racism or misogyny?

/r/srs advocates misandry, which is just as hateful as misogyny. /r/atheism can be viciously anti-theist. /r/politics is full of anti-conservative hatred & bile.

I'm not going to blame those nasty subreddits on the left; I'm going to blame those & all other nasty subreddits on the general nastiness of people, no matter what their philosophy or politics.

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Any other non-Americans just fed up with this peurile black-and-white, Left-vs-Right tribalism that all discussions of US politics have seemingly devolved into over the last few years? It’s like watching a bizarre caricature of some dystopian satire.

I'm an American and I'm fed up with it. What pisses me off the most is that, IME, nobody fits into either of these categories. It's devolved into a one-dimensional Left or Right, when really most people are mixed on every issue.

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> then take it down. Love this idea! But I get to decide what's permitted and what's not. We're going to start with art that I don't understand, then off to literature that I don't care for, when all of that filth is cleaned out, it's on to expressions of thought that everyone intuitively knows are wrong, then we progress to purge politics of incompatible policy and incorrect voting patterns. Ok?

That's the slippery slope logical fallacy. You've ignored the possibility that a meaningful middle ground exists.

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