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Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by tboyd47 »

erikb wrote: post #48
morinted wrote: post #10

Now we have Slack, Discord, Gitter, Microsoft Teams, and Atlassian Stride. I'm not sure when chat rooms became a business tool. Personally, I find myself distracted more than anything from all the notifications these apps cause, I get less done. I have to be sure to quit every chat app and put my phone in "do not disturb" to disconnect and focus, and then I get coworkers mad that I'm not online. At least with email I…

A common discussion I have with other developers. For a developer I'd say I'm a little more people minded than average, and a lot more big picture success oriented. And in both regards your personal productivity doesn't really matter. The biggest problem in software development is actually not per-coder-performance but that the right things get solved, and that the solution are actually good and quickly finished. Thi…

I agree with you completely on your main point, but you must admit that a person needs some time to concentrate in order to produce code. Even just 2 hours a day.

Unfortunately, a lot of companies are starting to measure "time working" via "time on Slack." My company is one of them, but it works out for us because my team exists in multiple time zones (making the interruptible hours of the day fewer).

This is not a problem that's specific to Slack. I guess if you're working in an open floor plan, you would have the same problem - or perhaps many people would be more shy to bother someone in person than online. Slack (and apparently this new tool too) doesn't help though. It seems to support an ever increasing array of notification options. You can set your status to "do not disturb," but people can and will still ping you when they feel like it.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by dxbydt »

morinted wrote: post #10

Now we have Slack, Discord, Gitter, Microsoft Teams, and Atlassian Stride. I'm not sure when chat rooms became a business tool. Personally, I find myself distracted more than anything from all the notifications these apps cause, I get less done. I have to be sure to quit every chat app and put my phone in "do not disturb" to disconnect and focus, and then I get coworkers mad that I'm not online. At least with email I…

Slack, Discord, Gitter, Microsoft Teams, and Atlassian Stride aren't just "chat rooms". They are essentially hosts for programmatic bots.

Imagine a newly hired developer posts a question on Stride about some feature-request/bug for a product. A chatbot smartly intercepts this question, posts a response linking to the precise jira ticket that addresses this feature request, when it was closed & who worked on it last. This exists. Imagine the savings in cost & time.

New developer posts a question - hey how should I implement this feature in xyz language ? Bot intercepts, posts a response connecting to the API docs of xyz, or better yet, posts a code snippet from stack overflow implementing the algo in xyz. Imagine how much $$$ that saves in onboarding & training costs. This exists too.

Maybe the Atlassian Stride chatbot will have more meangingful jira webhooks that the Slack chatbot won't.

This is really a next-gen NLP+AI play. Nobody cares about the actual chat per-se - Chat is just a QA platform, and superior QA bots indistinguishable from human are one of the primary goals of AI.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by mmirate »

lovich wrote: post #286
Kadin wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recently re-read the classic "Peopleware" (written 1974) and I think it's a bit unfortunate, given all the innovation elsewhere in the field, that there hasn't been much innovation or even experimentation about the nature of employment or how teams are constructed and actually execute work. Sure, there's a new "method" every few years but these seem like tinkering around the edges. I admit this is not a fully-forme…

The team based compensation is interesting but I don't think any company other than some startups would go for it. The main reason would be falling afoul of discrimination laws. The teams would be highly incentivized to exclude people that they thought would be less productive, say a pregnant woman who the team thought would be out for a long period, but the government will be holding the company accountable and not…

Isn't this problem theoretically also suffered by e.g. ~5-person contract/consulting shops?

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by onedr0p »

cialowicz wrote: post #178
dabernathy89 wrote: post #114

Like Slack, it has per user pricing. This means it's difficult for large open source projects to use it if they have any interest in keeping a permanent log, or even keeping a message history that goes back more than a few days. Feature-wise, the "Actions and Decisions" tools sound pretty interesting. Definitely a pain point with Slack. We've been using Slack for a lot of our planning for the Longhorn PHP conference…

Open source projects can request free licenses from Atlassian. Here's the form: https://www.atlassian.com/software/views/open-source-license... Presumably, they'll add Stride to that form eventually.

In regards to OSS, with Discord adding screen sharing and video chat this month, I don't see why anyone would try their product.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by corndoge »

dasil003 wrote: post #209
corndoge wrote: post #156

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You need to do this on slack unless you pay for it. Comparatively IRC is free and it's actually easier to make a logging IRC bot than it is to make one on slack.

The time it would take me to research a logging bot, set up a server, add monitoring to make sure it stays up would cost more of my time than purchasing Slack for several years for my small team. I don't see how you claim it can be easier than Slack since Slack by definition has everything stored already, you just have to pay for it.

key point: you have to pay for it

re IRC it's not a hard problem to solve whatsoever

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by remir »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #231
daxorid wrote: post #219

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None of the features you mention are useful for actually communicating and getting work done. Your concept of "better" is distinctly different from mine. In my world, software without completely useless and unnecessary features is better than bloatware. irssi + tmux + logging + grep works great for 100% of actual not-embedding-useless-cat-videos-to-avoid-having-to-actually-get-work-done use cases. In the interest of…

> None of the features you mention are useful for actually communicating and getting work done. I respectfully disagree. It's incredibly helpful to be able to video/voice call a coworker instead of typing back and forth. It's also incredibly helpful to be able to quickly past a screenshot of an issue you're seeing, or to paste a quick snippet of code, or log, with nice formatting. Yes, I could use my phone or another…

You should check out Riot.im, a Matrix client. It's great!

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by richman777 »

vacri wrote: post #334
compuguy wrote: post #309

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Ouch (and self-hosted atlassian products were pricy to begin with). Are there any good alternatives to Jira and Confluence out there (that are self-hosted/on-prem)?

I'm of the opinion that there are no good ticketing systems. I've seen a fair few of them (but haven't looked in the last year or two) and I realised that the problem is this: the amount of information you need to store to make a ticketing system really useful is more than people are comfortable putting in. Lightweight ticketing systems are great for small things, but suck for serious work. Heavyweight ticketing syst…

This is why I've finally accepted the fact that for my own personal tracking, nothing beats a post-it note. I'm not going to spend the time to put down all the real information I should and dealing with an app is another barrier preventing me from getting stuff done.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by emmelaich »

morinted wrote: post #10

Now we have Slack, Discord, Gitter, Microsoft Teams, and Atlassian Stride. I'm not sure when chat rooms became a business tool. Personally, I find myself distracted more than anything from all the notifications these apps cause, I get less done. I have to be sure to quit every chat app and put my phone in "do not disturb" to disconnect and focus, and then I get coworkers mad that I'm not online. At least with email I…

Also Jabber. From Cisco, it integrates nicely with your Cisco phone. i.e. you can play voice messages, make calls.

Otherwise it's probably less featureful than the ones you mention.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by austinjp »

zo1 wrote: post #292
Kadin wrote: post #274

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Mostly Microsoft Outlook. (But more seriously, even with a good MUA and either client-side or server-side search, the way mail messages are constructed, with tons of reply quoting, makes searching them a pain.) In lots of business cultures there's no expectation to search email, because it's so hard to get useful results that way, so if you send it in an email you can expect to have people just ask you to send it aga…

MS Outlook's search is pretty damn good, I have no idea what you're talking about. It's not perfect, and definitely not "google"-like in terms of guessing what you're actually trying to look for, but it gets the job done.

Perhaps I'm just too used to Gmail, but it always seems to take me forever to work out the equivalent of things like "from:me to:susan in:folder has:attachment".

And in outlook's web interface, this all seems to be even worse. Emails somehow just vanish. Not good.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by kuschku »

s73ver_ wrote: post #340
kuschku wrote: post #233

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And that is why I and many others are working on adding exactly that into today's IRC clients. Why I'm working on copy-paste of images and long text for quassel. Why people are working on WebRTC via IRC. All this is coming.

Except it's not going to be part of the standard, and there's no way that I can guarantee that the other people in the chat room are using the same thing.

It doesn’t have to be. You just need copy-paste to a pastebin or upload site, and need clients to support embedding content.

Then it doesn’t matter how each client does it.

This already works between Textual, IRCCloud, QuasselWebserver, and a handful more.

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