The Mac Pro Lives • Hacker News Board

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by ge96 » Tue, Apr 04, 2017, 3:02 PM UTC

itomato wrote: post #336

ge96 wrote: post #312

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Personally I want the Apple hardware, but would love to run 3 operating systems as I've never used Apple OS before. But am in love with the Macbook Air concept, seems the new Macbook Pros make the Macbook Air unnecessary. I mean they're insanely thin! The display, oh my god... not sure about those keys though. I bought this Samsung Chromebook 2 to test out a 13.3" laptop size and the keys were close to being "counter…

If you really need Solidworks, it should be paying for you to run it on a dedicated machine. Just warez or what?

This is contradictory too, can I afford a $5,000 license haha. But that's something I'd like to be able to use in the future as I'm also interested in mechanical engineering/prototyping.

I mean visual representations something like SketchUp is great, free easy to use. My friend has a 3D printer and can produce STL files. I've used SolidWorks before. Yeah I don't know, I'm just rambling excuse me.

I've heard of Warez.

I'm also aware of free options like FreeCAD which I loaded on Ubuntu, pretty cool.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by jvzr » Tue, Apr 04, 2017, 3:02 PM UTC

maccard wrote: post #311

ctrl-j wrote: post #268

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> It's annoying, but not that annoying. I dunno, I've done all kinds of stuff to my windows 10 machine to keep Candy Crush Soda from reinstalling itself. Yet every few weeks/months that King garbage ends up on my start menu. I use windows 10 because I'm a .NET developer and a gamer. If I could use OSX on my desktop instead, and have access to the same steam games - I can't think of a reason I would stay. > Less clutt…

> I dunno, I've done all kinds of stuff to my windows 10 machine to keep Candy Crush Soda from reinstalling itself. Yet every few weeks/months that King garbage ends up on my start menu. Another anecdote, I right clicked and clicked "unpin from start" and never saw it again.

It's still there though, isn't it? Granted you don't see it in the Start Menu, but it remained installed on your system. God knows if it's not having its own process at launch, doing similarly nasty stuff?

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by bobochan » Tue, Apr 04, 2017, 3:04 PM UTC

maccard wrote: post #332

bobochan wrote: post #309

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What baffles me is that it is 2017 and Windows comes with less than it did decades ago. At least prior to Win2000 there was QBasic and edit.com, but now starting to work on a Windows machine means downloading and installing basic tools. Need to SSH/SFTP? Download. Need to edit code? Download. Python? Download. Perl? Download. A reasonable terminal? Download. Yes, I might have to go to the Mac App Store and get comman…

> but someone please explain why having an absolutely fundamental ability to edit text and securely connect to work and transfer data to/from remote machines is something that any OS should be shipping without? The ability to edit text _does_ ship on windows - notepad. (not that I'd recommend it but it does exist). Also, OSX doesn't ship with anything better. FTP isn't a fundamental requirement for everyone, I don't…

Notepad??? OS X has shipped with both emacs and vim since Day 1. I'm sorry, but you seem quite unfamiliar with Macs.

You are correct, I would never suggest anyone have an FTP client; I have that service turned off on every machine I administer. SSH / SFTP are fundamental tools however.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by smoe » Tue, Apr 04, 2017, 3:04 PM UTC

SippinLean wrote: post #186

csomar wrote: post #178

Am I the only one that sees OS X as the biggest reason to switch to Mac? I mean Windows is good, but nowhere good as OS X. And please, don't tell me Ubuntu or other linux flavors. They look good (and are good if you are programming on them) but the UX is still lacking a lot. (Never mind the confusion of the different flavors, packaging systems, and configurations). Also god forbid you have a problem (especially a har…

>I mean Windows is good, but nowhere good as OS X Specifically? People typically point to the telemetry and forced updates, but I've managed to disable both, using what were admittedly much-too-difficult procedures or third-party software. It's annoying, but not that annoying. I really like Finder and Spotlight, but not enough to be tied, via licensing, to any specific hardware. Less cluttering--I can uninstall apps…

I recently installed Windows 10 as a secondary os on my laptop for music making.

The biggest annoyance was configuring the system to not get in my way: Never ever put something in the front of the app I'm working in, forcing a change of context. Don't use up all of the bandwidth when downloading updates in the background, etc. This was much less of a hassle the last time I used OSX. Apple might give you less options for configuration, but at least out of the box it is/was much less disruptive.

Overall I like the look and feel of windows 10, and some of the problems were caused by third party software. I do think a lot of the defaults actually make sense for the mass market, but they should be much more transparent and easier to change. For example, I expected disabling Cortana during installation would, well, actually disable it.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by y_u_no_rust » Tue, Apr 04, 2017, 3:04 PM UTC

issa wrote: post #318

Eun wrote: post #222

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Window management in OSX is horrible. Finder is even more horrible. It reminds me of the Windows 95 Explorer. A network drive hangs? Good luck with Finder..., the whole system halts.

My number one complaint about OSX is also window management. I've never found anything comparable to the way Windows 7 let you use the left/right arrows to line up windows on half the screen. That is the only thing I miss about Windows, but it's a pretty big one. Also, when dis/connecting monitors on OSX, windows often get lost. ps- if anyone has any suggestions or recommendations, I'd love to hear them!

bettertouchtools snap areas are just as good plus once you add custom touchpad gestures things get pretty amazing imo

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by Recurecur » Tue, Apr 04, 2017, 3:04 PM UTC

lexicality wrote: post #24

classybull wrote: post #9

The world would be better served by Apple getting out of the hardware business and just selling OSX, allowing it to run on any x86 architecture without all of the Hackintosh bull. I don't understand who these people are that are spending a 50% premium on components that are two to three years old. I use a MBP regularly, but only because my work buys them.

That might serve the world, but it wouldn't serve Apple at all

Actually it would serve Apple very well. Most of Apple's profit these days comes from iOS devices, and more macOS in the hands of users would definitely lead to more iOS adoption.

Also, systems would be available to suit power users - Apple currently offers exactly zero in that space. Power users influence many buying decisions beyond their own systems. It would be good if macOS could be seriously used for hard-core science and engineering.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by csomar » Tue, Apr 04, 2017, 3:05 PM UTC

gkya wrote: post #314

csomar wrote: post #217

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So update your hardware regularly?

Maybe you can afford that, but many can't.

I really dislike this argument. If you are not doing any serious work, then yes, Apple products are a luxury. If you are doing serious work, then you can afford Apple products easily. Let's say you spend $10k on your 2-year updated hardware. That comes at roughly $14/day. That's about how much I pay for coffee daily (cafes + Nespresso capsules)

Edit: And that doesn't include the re-selling price. I do give my old hardware to my mother, so I take it out of equation.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by protomyth » Tue, Apr 04, 2017, 3:05 PM UTC

oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #211

protomyth wrote: post #171

Apple has “great” new iMacs in the pipeline, slated for release “this year”, including configurations specifically targeted at large segments of the pro market. This just fills me with dread. It just seems like Apple continually doesn't get it and the "iMac is a pro computer" is the canary in the coal mine. We already switched to Adobe for all video editing after the Final Cut Pro fiasco, and if this crud keeps up I…

> large segments of the pro market Lots of different types of 'pro' user; there was mention in the post of xcode developers being either the largest market, or the largest growing one. As a developer who currently uses a 2014 MBP (mainly docked), I am very, very likely to be in the market for either a new iMac later this year, or a Mac Pro next year. I'm glad Apple is, finally, looking to address this issue.

I can see the MBP (only portability option, I use one myself) or the Mac Pro, but the iMac has turned into such an unexpandable machine, it troubles me that anything Pro is associated with it. It serves too many masters at this point. I hope the new Mac Pro is good.

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Post by corndoge » Tue, Apr 04, 2017, 3:05 PM UTC

Keyframe wrote: post #333

yokohummer7 wrote: post #253

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> On the other hand, if Windows had a proper shell and cli tools, like cygwin with zsh, but native and not Ubuntu layer inside - that would be tremendous. It is PowerShell, and it really is. Until recently I thought Windows had poor CLI support, and I discovered PowerShell and now I favor it even more than bash. Am I crazy? Possibly, but PowerShell is truly a piece of gem in the CLI history. It is a thoughtfully craf…

I made a wrong statement. PowerShell is a great shell! I want a shell and gnu chain from coreutils onwards within Windows. Babun takes me close, but not close enough. Namely it's slow as hell, 64-bit is no really there, and it's cygwin. I'm one of those "runs Vim and writes their own Makefiles and uses GCC and stuff like that doesn't like cygwin" guys.

Then why not run your favorite *nix and stick windows in a VM for the few applications that don't support Linux?

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by hultner » Tue, Apr 04, 2017, 3:06 PM UTC

issa wrote: post #318

Eun wrote: post #222

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Window management in OSX is horrible. Finder is even more horrible. It reminds me of the Windows 95 Explorer. A network drive hangs? Good luck with Finder..., the whole system halts.

My number one complaint about OSX is also window management. I've never found anything comparable to the way Windows 7 let you use the left/right arrows to line up windows on half the screen. That is the only thing I miss about Windows, but it's a pretty big one. Also, when dis/connecting monitors on OSX, windows often get lost. ps- if anyone has any suggestions or recommendations, I'd love to hear them!

I've been using Amethyst and kwm for the past 4 years and are very happy with proper tiling in OS X. There's been some minor inconveniences but over all it's great.