Of course, Trump hired quite a few H1-B workers himself: http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/18/news/economy/trump-maralago/...
Trump Is Right: Silicon Valley Using H-1B Visas to Pay Low Wages to Immigrants
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Re: Trump Is Right: Silicon Valley Using H-1B Visas to Pay Low Wages to Immigrants
#342Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not obvious at all. Shipping lower skilled jobs to other countries mean higher margins for US companies. Which is good in itself for the US economy. Buying manufacturing from other countries means it's easier to sell stuff to them as well, which is also good to US economy. The fact is that the US has a very good overall economy, so maybe one has to look at the issue of redistribution of wealth for instance. Econ…
I think you're missing two key points here - 1) what are corporations doing with their increased profits as a result of tactics like abuse of the H1B system?, and 2) what portion of H1B salaries ends up back in the US economy vs. abroad? The net effect for the overall economy is only going to be better under the current H1B system if companies reinvest their profits into productive uses, which they haven't been [1].…
And if H1B workers spend their earnings in the US instead of sending that money back home.
What? They're spending no money on rent, food or taxes? How's that possible?
And what about the Americans who save their money?
Re: Trump Is Right: Silicon Valley Using H-1B Visas to Pay Low Wages to Immigrants
#343Earlier quoted context omitted.
If there's not a shortage of skilled engineers, then why is Google paying people hundreds of thousands of dollars a year? While it's true that the industry has a bit of myopia and tends to focus on a specific subset of engineers as "skilled," there is absolutely a huge shortage of them and massive competition to hire them.
Google is one of the few companies hiring H1B's for their true purpose. If you look at where most of these visas are going it's clear that a large majority are low quality jobs. It's a disservice to the brilliant visa holders I know as well as US citizens. it's extremely hard for them to get a job at a good company because so many of the visas are getting soaked up by those abusing the system. If there was a huge eng…
I'm not saying the H1B system isn't abused. It absolutely is, and should be reformed.
What I'm disputing is this notion that there's no shortage of qualified developers. There absolutely is—that's why you see substantial salary growth for senior engineers.
What exactly do you think bootcamps are? They're outsourced developer training programs whose entire business model depends on the high tech salaries.
Re: Trump Is Right: Silicon Valley Using H-1B Visas to Pay Low Wages to Immigrants
#344The discussion about H1Bs is getting dominated by SV. The brunt of the changes are gonna affect other industries, for example, someone i know is currently doing a masters in biotech at a really good research university, and she is really scared about the 130k lower limit for H1B applicants. According to her, even postdocs in her field don't make that much! If the new H1B system passes as is, then its gonna cause a ma…
The details matter here:
If you are a H-1B dependent employer ( 8 H-1B workers if the company is You can either (1) prove that no US citizen is being displaced and no suitable US citizen could be recruited, or (2) pay the dependent employer exempt minimum wage of $130k.
In the case of (1), or if you are not considered H-1B dependent, you still need to pay the prevailing wage for the job (which as you mentioned is likely low for postdocs).
Re: Trump Is Right: Silicon Valley Using H-1B Visas to Pay Low Wages to Immigrants
#345ex H1B here. Yes Trump is right.(though I do not like him personally, he is right in this matter) Most of the corporate America is exploiting H1B workers. I have worked in one of those firms and I have friends in many other firms. These are not Indian body shops, these are American companies. Everyone's topic of discussion when we hangout is how our H1B visas were being exploited and there is nothing we could do abou…
> the long wait for GreenCard (10 years).
Can you explain this? I'm currently waiting for a greencard.
Re: Trump Is Right: Silicon Valley Using H-1B Visas to Pay Low Wages to Immigrants
#346ex H1B here. Yes Trump is right.(though I do not like him personally, he is right in this matter) Most of the corporate America is exploiting H1B workers. I have worked in one of those firms and I have friends in many other firms. These are not Indian body shops, these are American companies. Everyone's topic of discussion when we hangout is how our H1B visas were being exploited and there is nothing we could do abou…
Of all of the political candidates, only Trump and Sanders spoke out against H1-B visa abuse used to depress wages. (Former) Presidential Candidate Senator Marco Rubio of Florida wanted to triple the number of H1-B visas to 250,000 from 85,000 and accepted $2 million donation from Disney. Disney of Florida had recently replaced 250 US IT workers with foreigners on H1-B. Trump especially spoke out against this move. C…
> Clinton accepted $675,000 from Goldman for 3 talks.
So what? That is what people with her credentials are worth on the speaking circuit. God forbid someone get paid what they are worth, what do you think this is, a meritocracy?
> she could have donated the $675,000 for charity as President Obama did with his Nobel Peace Prize Award money
The Clinton's donated over $15MM to charity over the course of 2008-2015 and paid over 40% of their income as taxes. I'm pretty sure they've done more to help people than you (the average you, for all I know you're Bill Gates) or I ever will.
Re: Trump Is Right: Silicon Valley Using H-1B Visas to Pay Low Wages to Immigrants
#347Every time the topic comes up, I wonder how many of the HN'ers who are cross at H-1B workers because they are depressing wages are intellectually consistent (and honest) enough to accept that this position is part and parcel of the same system of nationalist thought that leads to a wall to Mexico and steeply increased tariffs on chinese import; of "America First"? If you find yourself reconciling the idea of protecti…
So that's a consideration, but it's more complicated than that. The H1-B system damages the ability of these workers to negotiate salary and move freely. It's not like H1-B visas represent opening up the labor market - they create disadvantaged labor that can't operate freely in the labor market.
I'm all for actually open borders. Depress wages by allowing brown people access to the job market, fine. Depress wages by exploiting brown people and not giving them access to the same wages as their western counter parts, eh. It's intellectually consistent to be opposed to that.
Re: Trump Is Right: Silicon Valley Using H-1B Visas to Pay Low Wages to Immigrants
#348Of course, Trump hired quite a few H1-B workers himself: http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/18/news/economy/trump-maralago/...
Just to be precise, those are H-2B visas (it says that right in the article) which is a different program.
https://www.uscis.gov/working-united-states/temporary-worker...
Re: Trump Is Right: Silicon Valley Using H-1B Visas to Pay Low Wages to Immigrants
#349ex H1B here. Yes Trump is right.(though I do not like him personally, he is right in this matter) Most of the corporate America is exploiting H1B workers. I have worked in one of those firms and I have friends in many other firms. These are not Indian body shops, these are American companies. Everyone's topic of discussion when we hangout is how our H1B visas were being exploited and there is nothing we could do abou…
> "We were bound to the employer with no hopes of promotion and the long wait for GreenCard (10 years)."
I don't doubt that many immigrants harbor this impression, but it is wrong. A H1B visa holder can switch companies at any time, by having that company apply to have the visa transferred to them. 99.9% of the time, this doesn't impact your GreenCard wait at all, because your Priority Date can also be transferred to your new Green Card application. I have a friend who has been on a H1B for 8 years, is currently at his 4th job, negotiated a 30% pay bump every time he switched, and still has the same Green-Card priority date that he had from his first application.
The fact that so many H1B workers harbor this misconception, and are afraid to switch jobs, is what gives employers the confidence to abuse their employees. If enough H1B workers start quitting on bad bosses, we'll see some pretty rapid change.
Re: Trump Is Right: Silicon Valley Using H-1B Visas to Pay Low Wages to Immigrants
#350Earlier quoted context omitted.
Where are you getting 60%? Are you adding up the two years? And I presume you're in the US, but from an external observer's perspective, 'poverty' in the US is extreme and is almost incomprehensible to people the rest of the Western world. These are not people "choosing" to not work, they're the most decrepit, uncared-for group in the developed world.
Table 3 and division. And I presume you're in the US, but from an external observer's perspective, 'poverty' in the US is extreme and is almost incomprehensible... I spend about half my time in the US, half in India. So as a semi-external observer, all I can do is laugh at you. Most middle class people would love to live as well as the American poor do. Actually so would many Europeans - Bulgarian GDP/capita is about…
I can't see what you mean in the Table. I can only see 30% of people who had no work experience in the year in question. I presume that you aren't adding up both years. And I presume that you also noticed that ~15% have a disability.
Yeah I'm sure middle class people in India would love to live "as well" as the American poor do. I was talking about the firmly developed world. Bulgaria is the poorest country in the EU and they still have access to free and competent healthcare. Compare that the US where the poor people considered by that table sometimes die because of bad teeth and no immediate access to care.