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Re: Apple to slice iPhone production 10% due to sluggish sales

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Post by raverbashing » Sat, Dec 31, 2016, 1:50 PM UTC

bigtunacan wrote: post #179

ihuman wrote: post #125

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I just keep mine connected to my headphones, since I use them more with my iPhone than a computer. Also someone made a cool keychain to attach it to if that works better for you. [1] > expensive spare dongles They're only $10 USD. [1] https://uncourage.com/

I have 5+ pairs of headphones. One for home, one for the office, one for the gym, and then a couple of spares for when I lose any of the main 3. I have the iPhone 7 and I end up carrying the dongle around in my jeans pocket when I am able to remember it. I'm certainly not paying $10 a pop for spare dongles when most of my headphones didn't even cost that much. Getting rid of the headphone jack is by far the dumbest m…

> Getting rid of the headphone jack is by far the dumbest move I have seen on the iPhone in a long time.

Then why did you get the iPhone 7? Should have voted with your wallet

Re: Apple to slice iPhone production 10% due to sluggish sales

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Post by throwanem » Sat, Dec 31, 2016, 1:54 PM UTC

reggplant wrote: post #119

ihuman wrote: post #99

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>My standard listening headphones are Etymotic ER-4Ps; there is no way I am going to downgrade to AirPods The phone comes with a 3.5mm to Lightning adapter, so you can continue to use your existing headphones. Also, you can disable 3D touch and reachability (the double-tap home button thing) in the accessibility settings, if those are causing your issues. >offer a system that just underlines words-thought-to-be-wrong…

In my experience, the amplification that this adapter provides is not enough for larger headphones.

Larger headphones like what? Impedance should matter there, not size, and it would surprise me to learn that there are high-Ω headphones that an iPhone can drive effectively, but the adapter can't.

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Post by krmmalik » Sat, Dec 31, 2016, 1:59 PM UTC

smcl wrote: post #253

jblow wrote: post #93

Usually I have upgraded, but I currently have no intention of buying an iPhone 7 or later, unless they fix something! For me it's a double whammy. I don't like the lack of headphone jack, and whereas I feel like I could manage grumpily ... for me it kills the excitement of buying the new device, and I think that is important. (My standard listening headphones are Etymotic ER-4Ps; there is no way I am going to downgra…

In your usability rants I have every one of those problems too (particularly autocorrect and swiping). I wonder how widespread this is? I'd like to add four more: 1. iTunes is slowly degrading into a usability nightmare - recommendations are often albums I own and bought from Apple! 2. the OS itself seemingly picks apps at random for the "play" button on the "swipe-up" menu. Like I might play a podcast on, say, Monda…

I'd like to add Airplay issues to your list please. Airplay used to be magic and extremely dependable. Now it just randomly cuts out on me, things don't work first time around 30% of the time. It takes a number of goes sometimes to get things to work the way they did the day before. Its a nightmare.

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Post by Freestyler_3 » Sat, Dec 31, 2016, 2:07 PM UTC

nkkollaw wrote: post #293

Freestyler_3 wrote: post #255

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If I buy an $800 device, I make sure it does what I want it to do with the least amount of friction (add/replace my other hardware). What if I buy a router today and there is a company that sells routers with a nice gui, but all the rj45 jacks are removed and it requires a dongle on the power jack to be able to connect a rj45. (For some reason it comes with a dongle but that requires the router to run on batteries) A…

I'm buying a second-hand iPhone 6s instead of an iPhone 7 because of the headphone jack (mainly out of principle). It's just that I see so many comments arguing that dongles are expensive... The problem is not that they're expensive. I agree that they suck, but I can't possibly believe that people that can afford to spend $1000 on an iPhone Plus all of a sudden can't afford a $10 or $29 dongle.

Agreed, if you buy it then it is your own responsibility to know that it requires more than just the money for the phone.

Then again, some people buy expensive cars and are surprised about the high price of spare parts. I guess many consumers like to pay a big amount of money for a single product, and not a big amount + 10 small amounts for a product that needs multiple other products during its life.

Its like a phone case, we all wish it wasn't necessary to have one, but many people buy cases because the phone needs it to stay nice/safe. And I don't think there is a solution readily available that makes phone cases abundant for those people.

Re: Apple to slice iPhone production 10% due to sluggish sales

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Post by taf2 » Sat, Dec 31, 2016, 2:15 PM UTC

jblow wrote: post #93

Usually I have upgraded, but I currently have no intention of buying an iPhone 7 or later, unless they fix something! For me it's a double whammy. I don't like the lack of headphone jack, and whereas I feel like I could manage grumpily ... for me it kills the excitement of buying the new device, and I think that is important. (My standard listening headphones are Etymotic ER-4Ps; there is no way I am going to downgra…

Let me echo the issues with iOS since the upgrade to 7 with an example from my children. We decided when my youngest was 3 to buy both girls a new ipad mini. This allowed them to watch shows. Sometimes but not often we'd also let them bring the ipad on walks (if you have not had kids don't judge). I was amazed at how well our girls figured out how to load a movie or show. It was pretty easy for my 5 year old to figure this out. My 3 year old struggled but after a few times showing her where and how to click she got it. A few weeks/months go by and ios7 is released. The new "flat" (cough invisible UI) is released into the wild. I am from the always upgrade generation because it's exciting so we upgraded everything. my 3 year was very very upset. Simple things like finding the video playback icon were now nearly impossible, even my 5 year struggled. Well, the worst possible outcome for us was my 3 year throwing the ipad in frustration down the street (literally we were on a walk). It gave me a whole new perspective on UI change. I believe Apple has improved since ios7 a lot - however many deficiencies remain that make the UI challenging - the multiple touch / 3d touch features. For us specifically, the distinction between a show or movie that is downloaded vs one that is not is crazy confusing and having to navigate into settings to switch between showing movies that are not on the device and ones that are has led to near repeat incidents of smashed ipads... I'm not sure what the right answer is for Apple... they have put themselves into a hard position for "fixing" things. Many people have probably become accustom to the new designs and features so a rollback is not what's needed. I believe they are mostly doing the right thing at this point which is to refine and improve, i just hope they can fix the extremely confusing itunes interface...

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Post by LoSboccacc » Sat, Dec 31, 2016, 2:15 PM UTC

gm-conspiracy wrote: post #337

LoSboccacc wrote: post #247

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same here. still on a 5s waiting on a reiteration of se. all you said applies to me as well plus the new generic form factor which is uninspirning bust most importantly too large for comfortably pocketing the real thing that keeps me locked to apple for now is the app commitment, but if a se2 fails to materialize I'll definitely jump to android at the end of life of my 5s

I just bought a used 5s w/ 64GB of RAM, also waiting for a decent SE2. I've been curious about the Sony Xperia Z5 compact. I would really like a Kickstarter for replacement form-factor main boards for classic iPhones (4S,5S) to run modern android or something. I have so many "obsolete" phones with working hardware and barely usable software.

myself was looking at the lg g5, mainly because it has recent android, as android hardware rarely receives updates. there's the pixel, of course, but that rear bulge :(

Re: Apple to slice iPhone production 10% due to sluggish sales

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Post by lazyjones » Sat, Dec 31, 2016, 2:22 PM UTC

microtonal wrote: post #41

djrogers wrote: post #32

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Better camera, better screen, faster, waterproof, more ram, Taptic Engine, nicer finish options, more durable home button, and on and on. It's a better phone in almost every measurable way.

And still, for many daily users the differences are not going to be spectacular. At least not 'drop 700 Euro on it' spectacular. So I guess many people went from a 2 year to a 3-4 year upgrade cycle.

The camera upgrade is spectacular. But yes, it's not a reason normal people would pay 700 € to upgrade, unless they're semi-professional bloggers/Instagram users/whatever.

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Post by tomwilson » Sat, Dec 31, 2016, 2:23 PM UTC

Infinitesimus wrote: post #324

nicky0 wrote: post #157

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Actually no, privacy is a point of difference between Apple and the other companies. Apple has very different philosophy regarding user data. Generally they try to keep it on your phone and they don't suck everything up into their datacenter, as they aren't in the business of selling ads. That's why their "intelligent assistant" stuff isn't as good as Google's.

Didn't Apple recently start selling targeted ads for the app store? Not the same as Google/FB of course but the fact that they can target an ad based on some profile means they have the data.

They're not really targeted. You just purchase keywords for your app and then they can display it at the top if someone searches for those words. They're not doing anything fancy like seeing what other apps you have or using any of the information they may or may not have about you.

http://searchads.apple.com

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Post by jaxondu » Sat, Dec 31, 2016, 2:28 PM UTC

itg wrote: post #7

The numbers coming out of Apple next quarter will be interesting. iPhone 7 has been underwhelming and reception to the latest MacBooks Pros has been mostly negative. And if sales are on a downhill trajectory, I wonder what the response inside of Apple will be.

I suspect Apple will continue downhill in 2017 especially in Asia markets. The so called iPhone 8 10-anniversary phone brand new design is never gonna happen. Instead we will get iPhone 7s and iPhone 7s Plus with the same design but with an OLED screen. The reason is Tim Cook is in charge, he is a supply chain guy. And Apple is going to squeeze out all profit possible from the investments in iPhone 6/6s/7/7s design, by reusing the same factory retrofitting. Its about profit margin. If Apple continue to reuse the same 4 year old design, it will start to loose its appeal as a fashion accessory, to the younger crowd.

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Post by fuayenaha » Sat, Dec 31, 2016, 2:32 PM UTC

swiley wrote: post #323

fuayenaha wrote: post #309

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It requires you to have an active connection to the server all the time.

That's just an entry in a table maintained by the kernel. "Active connection" doesn't nescisarily mean data is sent over it. Also, the other poster is right, this is exactly how the other push notifications work.

Of course, but the point is that you have only one connection open (the one to Apple or GCM), not one for each app, one for each imap account, etc. If you let anybody keep a connection alive continuosly you end up with a mess.