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Re: RethinkDB is shutting down

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post #322

Holy shit, my worst nightmare is realized. I LOVE RethinkDB, I use it for EVERYTHING. It has everything I've ever wanted in a database. Relational documents, realtime feeds. Sadness. Someone better be picking up from where they left off.

It really is the best DB I've ever used. Would love to support the project with donations if that were possible.

I would totally pay a yearly "maintenance" cost.

Re: RethinkDB is shutting down

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Looking forward to the more detailed writeups since I'd love to read why it wasn't possible to build a sustainable company around such an excellent product.

Good move by Stripe to pick up these fantastic engineers.

Re: RethinkDB is shutting down

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Loved that they took care of the engineers! Stripe is a great place to work where their expertise is surely welcomed.

This is what I thought was the best detail of all this. I don't know the details so this may not be totally accurate, but it sounds like they didn't just shut down and let everyone fend for themselves. Looks like they helped make sure all their employees were taken care of. Too many employers just throw their employees by the wayside when the business goes south. So kudos to them for taking care of their folks.

Re: RethinkDB is shutting down

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Never used RethinkDB, but this is the first time I've seen an announcement this written as "we are shutting down, the team is moving to Stripe" rather than "We've been acquired by Stripe! Nothing will change except our product will stop working in 30 days"

Much respect for the no-BS announcement.

Re: RethinkDB is shutting down

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post #158

To be clear: As part of shutting down, you guys found new jobs as you could for employees? That's rad!

For the engineers, it seems... Were there any other employees?

Yeah, I realized a while later: Same report could be from a toxic situation: I got me and by buddies out, didn't care about the rest.

I didn't get that vibe from the article, tho.

Re: RethinkDB is shutting down

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post #296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just looking at some of the RethinkDB and ReQL stuff, I certainly wouldn't have used it. Two things hit me immediately: - bad performance - a dearth of types (literally only a single numeric type that is a 64-bit float, so that eliminates entire categories that rely on integer/fixed-precision exact arithmetic. Also, time series are seriously hurt by that decision. I've seen DBs have to move to 64-bit longs because of…

> literally only a single numeric type that is a 64-bit float After dealing with JavaScript and Lua, I am ready to call this a complete anti-pattern. To be a good language, it must support at least one size each of machine floats and ints. To be really good, it should be possible for me to choose any size of machine-supported floats and ints. To be great, it should also support rationals, fixed-point and complex numb…

This anti-pattern -- floats as the sole numeric type -- goes all the way back to BASIC in 1964.

It's just as bad an idea now as it was then.

Re: RethinkDB is shutting down

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post #224

A while ago, I heard how good RethinkDB is and tried to check it out and found this page. https://rethinkdb.com/docs/sql-to-reql/javascript/ The more complex the query becomes I just felt everything was getting less intuitive compared to the SQL version and ended up not actually using it. For anyone who switched from SQL, I'd like to know how it felt to write RethinkDB queries. Did they start to feel fluent later on?

Very. The linear flow of data from left to right made it very easy to reason about complex queries.

I've wondered how it is not always chains of command from left to right like you mentioned, instead it encapsulates another expression starting from "r." here and there, which pretty much made me feel unintuitive at that time but regarding people's comment, I guess it will start to make sense well later on.

Re: RethinkDB is shutting down

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post #7

That is sad. We were considering switching to RethinkDB from MongoDB.

Don't write off RethinkDB yet.

Yea, it's pretty much feature-complete (as far as I'm concerned) at this point, major performance issues were addressed, and the documentation is excellent. The project itself is in fantastic shape. They even added Windows support half a year ago.

Re: RethinkDB is shutting down

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post #333

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yeah. RethinkDB is AGPL, which means that some people cannot use it (e.g. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/31/google_on_open_sourc... ). While a very well grounded interpretation says that merely using the AGPL'd service via a public API doesn't force you to release the clients, some companies would prefer buying a commercial license rather than facing the legal risk.

"yeah. RethinkDB is AGPL, which means that some people cannot use it" No, it means some people CHOOSE not to use it. There is nothing stopping them from deciding to use it, other than their own fears.

No, if I'm working at a company that has a blanket policy against using any (A)GPL software, then I can't use it.

What the lawyers decide in a company that has 10k+ employees has nothing to do with the fears of anyone but the lawyers and the top management. Everyone else is just following the rules.

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