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David Cameron announces resignation

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Post by simonswords82 »

AnonymousPlanet wrote: post #324
simonswords82 wrote: post #293

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Will I call it a conspiracy? That's very insightful of you, thanks for your fortune telling. There's going to be pain, but I have confidence that we'll get deals in place that on average over the next five to ten years will see things balance out.

Your comment raised a red flag for me, because "scaremongering in the UK press" implies some kind of concerted effort, a conspiracy, to subvert the truth. That is why I, probably unfairly, placed you in a certain camp. Five to ten years is a very long time to bet on. I do not share your confidence. And it looks like you will have less than two years time to settle things. BTW, is that five to ten years with or with o…

The Scottish oil industry is already on its arse so I don't see that coming in to play? From Wikipedia: The North Sea oil and gas industry contributed £35 billion to the UK economy (a little under 1% of GDP) in 2014 and is expected to decline in the coming years.

I have friends that used to work for BP and Co in Aberdeen and their take on it is that the good old days of oil production in Scotland are well and truly dead.

Dead dinosaurs to one side - whatever the actual truth, the media here in the UK (including the BBC in my opinion) did a terrible job of providing fact based, balanced views on the situation. Scaremongering might be a bit harsh - but the UK public are currently running scared and nothing good will come of that short or long term.

Re: David Cameron announces resignation

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Post by IshKebab »

monk_e_boy wrote: post #335
evgen wrote: post #173

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Well you sure aren't going to get any richer now. This is going to have an unpleasant impact on the UK economy (not as bad as the gloom and doom of this morning's news, but bad) and I can assure you that the pain is not going to be felt much at the top end. Get ready for your grocery bill to go up by 20% in the next few weeks and for a massive wave of redundancies.

At least something is happening. We didn't do it to get rich, we did it to stop the status quo, the endless rut of being so fucking skint all the time. Putting petrol and groceries on the credit card is getting boring now. How many maxed out credit cards does one family need? Rich folk keep saying "Why? Why? Why?" and we say "Why not?"

The vote wasn't to 'stop the status quo'. It was to leave the EU. There's no reason to think that will make you any better off.

"I'm fed up with being poor. I'm going to show those big-wigs that we've had enough! By voting to... leave the EU. Yeah. I'm like, 15% sure it has something to do with the EU."

Re: David Cameron announces resignation

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Post by lmm »

gonvaled wrote: post #339
sievebrain wrote: post #334

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Maybe the EU should have thought of that when writing the exit clause? I guess that's the problem with thinking it'll never be used.

They haven't though of that, and lots of other things. As the UK politicians are lacking a plan too. - Cameron organizing a referendum without a plan in case he loses, and stepping down? Check! - Boris disappearing in moments of crisis? Check! - Power vacuum in all political parties? Check! - UKIP and Vote Leave backpedaling in some claims? Check! So yes, lots of things were unclear. But we in the EU not want any of…

Exactly - our internal politics are none of your business. So why are you getting so worked up over our non-binding internal referendum?

When (and if) we send you notice as per Article 50, we can all follow that process. In the meantime, talking about "enemies" and kicking us out is utterly counterproductive.

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Post by oarsinsync »

ThatGeoGuy wrote: post #271
CM30 wrote: post #156

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Well, it'd help if the younger generation actually bothered for things instead of complaining about them on social media. Less online petitions, more going down to the ballot box. If they were represented in the vote, more politicians would listen to them. But they currently don't because the older generations actually show up on voting day.

This is disingenuous. Blaming millennials for not showing up at the poll is a strawman argument, as the vast majority of younger folk did show up (80% turnout ages 18-24)[1]. Sure, it's less than the 95+% of people 60 and older, but there's a hell of a lot more baby boomers than there are millennials. The problem isn't as simple as "young people don't vote". [1] http://graphics.wsj.com/brexit-whos-voting-what/?mod=e2…

> Blaming millennials for not showing up at the poll is a strawman argument, as the vast majority of younger folk did show up (80% turnout ages 18-24)[1] > [1] http://graphics.wsj.com/brexit-whos-voting-what/?mod=e2fb

I guess nobody followed up on your citation, because the link you supplied clearly states:

> Sources: YouGov online poll of 1694 likely voters conducted June 15–17; (demographics); YouGov online poll of 2001 likely voters conducted June 9–10 (economy and immigration); margin of error for both: +/- 3 percentage points

Absolutely nothing about the actual vote, just polling predictions.

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