Ubuntu on Windows
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Re: Ubuntu on Windows
#342Earlier quoted context omitted.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result. Microsoft has been trying to extinguish their competition for decades now; what makes you think they're going to be different this time?
And what makes you think they will do the same? Fact is you have no idea, and all signs point to a more open MS that has learned that simply throwing their weight around won't work anymore.
You clearly don't work with Microsoft on a daily basis in a enterprise setup...
I'll fill you in. The new lock-in is Office 365 with Intune/SCCM and Azure. We are in the extinct phase of having better management options in Intune for Office and surrounding technologies and enterprise IT will see this as an advantage over choosing another MDM/MAM vendor. Step one done for still controlling productivity apps and device management. Now it's getting developer mindshare and focus back on the Windows ecosystem. Pretty easy in enterprise as we just did a lock-in with Office 365/Intune. They still throw their weight around and their key/technical account managers must have missed the memo saying to be more open for other vendors/partners. So they may look nice but don't make the mistake of thinking there isn't a plan behind.
Re: Ubuntu on Windows
#343Earlier quoted context omitted.
Let's be honest here. Does this change make some developers actually even consider to change their OS X/Linux Desktops to Windows? Yeah it is really cool thing that we can finally use windows cmd like the terminal on unix systems however: - What about lack of all the Linux/OS X GUI software? - What about lack of all the UNIX OS features? - What about all those billions and billions of Windows malware, viruses, adware…
For a second machine (maybe a cheap laptop) then yes, I would consider it. As a side note, Windows NT had a POSIX layer as one of its three main APIs (Along with Win32 and OS/2), so in theory, at least, it should have been easy to port true UNIX apps to it. I have no idea what state the POSIX layer is in now; probably in a similar state to the OS/2 layer.
The POSIX subsystem was removed some time around Server 2003. They replaced it with Unix Services for Windows, which was based on an acquired technology, but that's no longer available as of Windows 10. After laying fallow for so long, I really doubt they used the old multi-subsystem architecture to implement this new stuff. Could be wrong, though.
Re: Ubuntu on Windows
#344I am a little annoyed at myself. One of my 5 laptops is a HPStream 11 that was running Windows 10 until a few months ago when I wiped the disk and installed Ubuntu. Windows 10 is not bad at all, and I would have enjoyed keeping a Windows 10 machine handy with the new Ubuntu user land support.
Torrent time!
Not necessary; just download the iso.
Well, the iso maker on another Windows machine.
Re: Ubuntu on Windows
#345Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yea, I think they are going after developers who use OS X because it is UNIXy. Smart move given how en vogue Apple laptops have become for developers these days.
Let's be honest here. Does this change make some developers actually even consider to change their OS X/Linux Desktops to Windows? Yeah it is really cool thing that we can finally use windows cmd like the terminal on unix systems however: - What about lack of all the Linux/OS X GUI software? - What about lack of all the UNIX OS features? - What about all those billions and billions of Windows malware, viruses, adware…
I still can't believe so many developers switched to Macs after that ad campaign they ran. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if eventually 'GNU/Linux/Windows' ultimately ended up with a majority share of developer desktops.
Re: Ubuntu on Windows
#346It's time that people stopped using the term 'Windows' for this operating system. The Free Software Foundation created the bulk of the userspace, under terms that allow anyone to share, modify and fork the programs, and then Microsoft came along with the one last missing piece of the puzzle - the kernel, and completed the full operating system, which, to be frank, users find completely unusable and worthless without…
OK, that deserved an upvote.
Re: Ubuntu on Windows
#347Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yea, I think they are going after developers who use OS X because it is UNIXy. Smart move given how en vogue Apple laptops have become for developers these days.
It kinda makes me regret my MBP purchase last fall. I really wanted a Surface Pro but I couldn't deal with developing on Windows.
Couldn't you just boot linux on the surface?
Re: Ubuntu on Windows
#348Earlier quoted context omitted.
I expect they implemented a subsystem for Linux at the syscall level - i.e. they implemented the Linux kernel's interface at the ABI level. No headers would need to intermingle with open source; compile on Linux, run on Windows.
From the screenshots, it seems there is a full kernel in there - e.g. you have /proc/cpuinfo, and it identifies as Linux 3.4.0. If they just implemented all Linux syscalls on top of NT, that would replace a Linux kernel. There would be no Linux kernel running on top. But in that case they would also need to emulate stuff like /proc. (This is the "reverse Wine" scenario.) So I personally think it is either: - There is…
There is no need to use actual Linux code to implement its interface, so no GPL'ing of NT, and implementing /proc is not a big deal compared to other things.
And this seems to be implemented as an NT subsystem, which makes tons of sense.
Re: Ubuntu on Windows
#349I remember seeing an ad for an PowerBook (oh, this first one one: http://xaharts.org/funny/Apple_Mac_OS_X_Unix_ad.html ) back in 2002 (apparently) and thinking: "Wow, now I want one." Outstanding pitch. And for the last decade and a half so have a huge number busy engineers, scientists and most recently and profoundly, web developers. Microsoft is making a very smart move here, even if it is exceedingly late.
I remember similar thoughts when the first MacBook (x86) came out in early 2006, as I was just starting university, and also thinking "Hmm, this is all probably going to be huge, and I should find out how to buy Apple stock with this ~$1200 I have... oh, no, I'll buy a MacBook for myself." Ten years later, I'm totally bored with Apple and OS X. Especially after trying to use Xcode and the iOS Development Cloud Platfo…
I know it's just an example, but both of the games you mentioned have had Mac versions for a very long time, if not initial release.
Re: Ubuntu on Windows
#350It's time that people stopped using the term 'Windows' for this operating system. The Free Software Foundation created the bulk of the userspace, under terms that allow anyone to share, modify and fork the programs, and then Microsoft came along with the one last missing piece of the puzzle - the kernel, and completed the full operating system, which, to be frank, users find completely unusable and worthless without…
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