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Post by jarin »

phillc73 wrote: post #17
ozcanesen wrote: post #6

Privacy agreements just a word without cryptographic technology background as supporter. Also "everwhere" not means "ios, osx, android". where is windows and linux desktop clients, even skype supports linux desktops today.

I'm most surprised to see a new application launch without a Windows client. Is this a conscious marketing decision to not target the Windows user market? Is the market share of iOS, Android and OSx enough for these guys to succeed without a Windows client? The website notes that a browser client is coming soon, but nothing for native Windows.

I'm pretty sure it just means that the developers at the company primarily use Macs.

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Post by dmix »

FreezerburnV wrote: post #306
Ridley wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are already FOSS replacements for Skype, such as Tox. The fact is that if every line of code can't be inspected then the software can't be considered secure, and we're forced to put blind faith in a faceless corporation, which is understandably not acceptable for many people. I don't really care if you think this is "practical" or not. That's simply the reality of the situation. Proprietary == insecure. If a co…

I would argue that, theoretically, proprietary can be secure. A code base can be made secure by highly experienced engineers who are paid to make the code secure. You might never be able to see the code, but it could still be secure. The problem is that you can never actual verify how secure the proprietary solution is. So whether or not it is secure, you don't trust it. (there are even some interesting arguments to…

Yes, proprietary can be secure. But my question to you is why bother?

As a business model open-source arrangements such as Red Hat or the countless Hadoop services show that you don't really need to lock down the source code to create a successful business around it.

With communications software, the costs a closed-sourced software with magical trust-us crypto getting fully compromised is incredibly high. If people can't trust their basic tools to be private, nor be able to verify it, than they can't assume any conversation they have is private. That's a scary world IMO.

This is particularly true for broken encryption more than the presence of memory exploitation such as Heartbleed or Shellshock.

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Post by shapeshed »

Good luck but I'm not really sure how this product is differentiating from other bundled voip and messaging products other than better UX/UI.

Where is the revenue model and where are the open APIs into the service? Messaging is becoming really saturated now. User experience might get you some of the way there but interoperability with things outside your walled garden is also important for success IMHO.

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Post by snowwrestler »

NullReference wrote: post #4

"What we need is another messaging app" said nobody, ever. It looks pretty, but this is yet another app in the long list of "Skype killers" or "Voice/video/text" messaging. It seems like it's the default goto for anyone that can't think of something more interesting these days.

For me, the ultimate Skype killer is Skype.

It's gone from a messaging app that I couldn't believe worked so well on a low-speed connection, to a messaging app that that I can't believe works so shitty on a high-speed connection. I literally tried for 20 minutes just to get a call to connect last Saturday before giving up and using FaceTime instead.

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Post by 72deluxe »

All the comments on here are very witty. This Wire app is only available for iOS and recent versions of Android (no joy for me on 4.1 on my obviously ANCIENT Xperia S that still functions fine), and only available for OSX. Great for me on OSX but not for my chums on Windows. Buying a Mac makes for an expensive application price, no?

But in all seriousness I recall having great IM with MSN Messenger about 15 years ago, and despite the incessant barrage of replacement apps, there is still no one leader. Sure, we now have Facetime so I can irritate my mum at all times of the day but that's no good for my brother on Windows. And I find Skype to be a massive battery hog on my laptop, and an advert-infested mess on Windows.

Is anyone else like me, and just sticking to SMS and emails? The other day on a BBC News article it mentioned "if you're a bit old fashioned and use email"... but I think email is great because you can archive it offline (I have useful emails from years ago) and it can also be used in court I think.

IM logs - are they evidence in court? All the old chat logs get tidied up from all the IM systems I come across, so there is no referring back to old messages, or a paper trail.

EDIT: I'm getting downvoted, not sure why? In all seriousness is email really broken that we need another IM system? Obviously the lack of video calling is a big problem....

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Post by SoloX5 »

johnward wrote: post #328
chdir wrote: post #247

That domain name would have been one expensive purchase. I wonder if there's any significant correlation between buying an expensive domain upfront & success rate. That aside, It has spent most of it's life being parked with ads. https://web.archive.org/web/*/wire.com

I often wonder about price when I see great domain names like this. Sometimes they seem to boost the product and many times it doesn't matter. I saw a post on reddit about examine.com. I think the guy said he paid like 40k for the domain and he believes it was a big part of why they were growing. He basically said that he had money from previous business selling and he figured even if the site didn't work out the dom…

That's me!

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Post by Ridley »

wmeredith wrote: post #290
Ridley wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are already FOSS replacements for Skype, such as Tox. The fact is that if every line of code can't be inspected then the software can't be considered secure, and we're forced to put blind faith in a faceless corporation, which is understandably not acceptable for many people. I don't really care if you think this is "practical" or not. That's simply the reality of the situation. Proprietary == insecure. If a co…

I don't think it's as black and white as all that. This reads like the equivalent claim the NSA makes along the lines of, "if you have nothing to hide, why can't we record every facet of every communication and store it forever?" Business relationships run on trust. Claiming your software is secure when it is to the best of your knowledge is not dishonest.

You're making the baseless (and some might say naive) assumption that it is secure to the best of their knowledge. If they really wanted to build trust then they would prove it and leave no doubt in people's minds.

Re: Wire – Modern Communications Network

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Post by driverdan »

gurkendoktor wrote: post #156

Am I such an outlier if I use Skype for business, not for leisure? I have clients on three continents and every single one used Skype to communicate about the project. Skype was generally running on every machine as a "watercooler chat"/IRC replacement. Just open groups, give them names and pin them to the sidebar. Done. So I really expected this to be more secure, more portable and LESS designer-driven. Who is even…

I've never used Skype for anything personal, only for business communications and only when the other party required it.

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Post by psykovsky »

deanclatworthy wrote: post #99

> Wire interactions are secure and we comply with European privacy laws and regulations. Which basically means as soon as a warrant is sent from pretty much any European government they'll hand over all your conversations. The support article doesn't give any detail whatsoever on how they encrypt your conversations: https://support.wire.com/hc/en-us/articles/203122500-Are-mes... It's a shame companies can't be held a…

> Wire interactions are secure and we comply with European privacy laws and regulations.

Marketing double-speak.

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