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Only 90s Web Developers Remember This

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Re: Only 90s Web Developers Remember This

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jordanlev wrote: post #314
nikatwork wrote: post #207

> 1x1.gif let you push elements all around the page effortlessly. To this day it is the only way to vertically center elements. False, dynamic vertical centering has always been possible with tables: dynamically vertically centered This is something CSS still can't seem to do dynamically except with table-emulation, which, you know, kind of defeats the whole fucking purpose of CSS (and isn't backwards compatible anyw…

One pedantic point [what, here on HN??!!] about your statement "layout divs and lists also aren't semantic"... the difference is that divs are never semantic, and they're not supposed to be. Whereas table are semantic and impart meaning on what the kind of content is. So, yeah, divs aren't semantic and that's exactly why they're more appropriate than tables for layout.

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Re: Only 90s Web Developers Remember This

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Post by givehimagun »

zarify wrote: post #262
givehimagun wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This reminded me of my pokemon fan site (Poketown) from 2000. https://web.archive.org/web/20000510132913/http://poketown.o... Looks like I was a pattern of grid design (ala tables) back then.

Has everyone made a Pokemon site as part of some rite of passage or something? One of the first things I did to teach myself Perl and HTML back in the day was write a Pokedex page. Maybe Pokemon can be the new Hello World.

I like it! Makes it more interesting than hello world and a little bit of a throwback to the years of yester.

Re: Only 90s Web Developers Remember This

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jordanlev wrote: post #314
nikatwork wrote: post #207

> 1x1.gif let you push elements all around the page effortlessly. To this day it is the only way to vertically center elements. False, dynamic vertical centering has always been possible with tables: dynamically vertically centered This is something CSS still can't seem to do dynamically except with table-emulation, which, you know, kind of defeats the whole fucking purpose of CSS (and isn't backwards compatible anyw…

One pedantic point [what, here on HN??!!] about your statement "layout divs and lists also aren't semantic"... the difference is that divs are never semantic, and they're not supposed to be. Whereas table are semantic and impart meaning on what the kind of content is. So, yeah, divs aren't semantic and that's exactly why they're more appropriate than tables for layout.

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Re: Only 90s Web Developers Remember This

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Post by nikatwork »

jordanlev wrote: post #314
nikatwork wrote: post #207

> 1x1.gif let you push elements all around the page effortlessly. To this day it is the only way to vertically center elements. False, dynamic vertical centering has always been possible with tables: dynamically vertically centered This is something CSS still can't seem to do dynamically except with table-emulation, which, you know, kind of defeats the whole fucking purpose of CSS (and isn't backwards compatible anyw…

One pedantic point [what, here on HN??!!] about your statement "layout divs and lists also aren't semantic"... the difference is that divs are never semantic, and they're not supposed to be. Whereas table are semantic and impart meaning on what the kind of content is. So, yeah, divs aren't semantic and that's exactly why they're more appropriate than tables for layout.

I hear the argument that s should only hold tabular data, but (a) that is a convention not a rule and (b) frankly content and layout are so horribly muddled in HTML that I believe in a pragmatic approach with clean, minimal, backwards-compatible code and no fragile hacks. If that means using a couple of layout tables then so be it.

What really grates is that the same people will then often use a to make a hover menu, which is completely hypocritical.

Re: Only 90s Web Developers Remember This

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Post by eksith »

Pfft. Amateurs. DHTML is where it's at, baby!

https://web.archive.org/web/20030927154612/http://www.ghostn...

Yeah, tell me that's not totally sexy ;)

I created this as a sort of web front experiment. Back when I just ran an IRC server and forum, it was kind of a bummer that there was no real front "site". This was supposed to be a stylized entry point for that. I don't remember the links that were on the menu, but I do remember that "Chromeless Widows" were all the rage.

Also, I wasn't comfortable with Flash, so I did the front interface with JavaScript. The irony of things coming back full circle to that (in some way) isn't lost on me.

Re: Only 90s Web Developers Remember This

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Post by steveax »

pvnick wrote: post #11

> HTML For Dummies doesn't cover the tag until chapter four? Ah yes, HTML For Dummies . For me, the book that started it all. Reading that book during my elementary school Pokemon craze led me to create my first serious website from scratch, Mew's Hidden Lair [1]. Except back then it was Dummies 101: HTML [2]. And I do remember how magical it was to type in that command and see an image of Pikachu show up on my scree…

What, no mention of _The Whole Internet Catalog_?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whole_Internet_User's_Guide_and...

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