I would love to donate some Litecoin
OpenBSD will shut down if we do not have the funding to keep the lights on
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Re: OpenBSD will shut down if we do not have the funding to keep the lights on
#332Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you EVER use OpenSSH for ANYTHING, you can cough up $20 for grumpy Theo. (I've interacted with Mr deRaadt once. He was perfectly lovely and helpful.)
> If you EVER use OpenSSH for ANYTHING, you can cough up $20 for grumpy Theo. Theo provides negative value. There are no circumstances (least of all extortion) that would make me give him money or aid of any sort. > (I've interacted with Mr deRaadt once. He was perfectly lovely and helpful.) Most of us will never know. His public attitude has ensured that.
If you don't want to aid him, that's quite alright, but I'm not sure how OpenSSH balanced against his abusive comments to select users on mailing lists is somehow a net negative...
It's not like we're talking about Wagner's antisemitism vs his music here!
Re: OpenBSD will shut down if we do not have the funding to keep the lights on
#333I don't see the point - they should ask for subscriptions, not for donations.
What will they do next month / year, ask again? And again?
Re: OpenBSD will shut down if we do not have the funding to keep the lights on
#334Just to make the call to action a little more direct, the donation link is here: http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/donations.html
Since PayPal won't accept donations from where I live (Japan), here is an alternative way of donating through the Calgary Computer Shop: https://https.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/order Having just donated I would like to say that the man pages are wonderful. I like them so much that I have a oman alias and made a quick (and dirty) script to fetch them. https://github.com/ninjin/ppod/tree/master/hck/openbsd_manpa... Try them…
Huge +1 to the quality of OBSD man pages being awesome
Re: OpenBSD will shut down if we do not have the funding to keep the lights on
#335Earlier quoted context omitted.
I guess you don't know Theo de Raadt ;) The guy is infamous for being one of the most aggressive, sarcastic and trollish OSS developers out there. He's been like that for 20+ years, he's not going to change just because they are 20 grand short. Part of the success OpenBSD has enjoyed is in fact due to this uncompromising attitude: Theo pushed hard against security-by-obscurity, binary blobs, undocumented proprietary…
>At the same time, Theo's personality routinely drives away a lot of very capable developers and users, which limited the overall popularity OpenBSD could ever reach. It would be nice if we could all work in an environment where we could be abrasive as we want and still get paid. But this is life and not many people have that opportunity. If Theo want's to put up a fight about blobs and proprietary hardware, he shoul…
> where we could be abrasive as we want and still get paid
If your code is wrong, I'll say it's wrong. I won't say you are an idiot, I won't make comments on your background and I won't judge you when I should be judging your arguments. I'll point what's wrong and why I think it's so and I'll welcome you if you prove me wrong and adjust my views accordingly.
Excessive abrasiveness is not a good trait for a community leader.
Re: OpenBSD will shut down if we do not have the funding to keep the lights on
#336Earlier quoted context omitted.
But many of those old hardware platforms can be emulated. So if their reason of existence is only triggering edge cases, there are other ways to do so.
Actually most can't be emulated because emulators don't exist and those which can typically can't be emulated correctly (Sparc emulators for example which are notoriously sparse and bad quality). Some of the architectures also have different endianess and incredibly complicated peripherals to the cost effective host machines as well meaning that it's actually more power efficient to run native. A headless 100MHz VAXs…
OTOH, the preservation of such historically relevant architectures would benefit enormously from emulation. This is an aspect that should get some attention and which could, possibly, open up another funding avenue to the project as a side effect.
Re: OpenBSD will shut down if we do not have the funding to keep the lights on
#337I don't see the point - they should ask for subscriptions, not for donations. What will they do next month / year, ask again? And again?
They do offer Paypal subscriptions[0] You can donate 10-500 per month, in USD/CAD/EUR.
Re: OpenBSD will shut down if we do not have the funding to keep the lights on
#338Earlier quoted context omitted.
From Theo's comments on the mailing list: "On a regular basis, we find real and serious bugs which affect all platforms, but they are incidentally made visible on one of the platforms we run, following that they are fixed. It is a harsh reality which static and dynamic analysis tools have not yet resolved. " "Regarding shutting them down, there other social problems. Yes, we remove about 10 of the architectures. We'd…
which other BSD would that be? If the answer is "NetBSD", let's consider that the expenses in 2012 for the NetBSD foundation were $6k [0]. Either they don't support the architectures the same way or they are spending the money in a smarter way. [0] http://www.netbsd.org/foundation/reports/financial/2012.html
I believe that the Foundation does not have a lot of hardware, volunteers own and support them. As of a few years back there is a "tier" system for NetBSD support too, http://www.netbsd.org/ports/#tiers which means that it is up to eg the Vax maintainers to keep things working rather than everyone.
Re: OpenBSD will shut down if we do not have the funding to keep the lights on
#339I donated 50 bucks. These guys have been awesome for a long time. Sorry it took me this long to donate.
EDIT: Here's the thing. I don't directly use OpenBSD, but they have influenced more than just UNIX for a long time.
Re: OpenBSD will shut down if we do not have the funding to keep the lights on
#340Earlier quoted context omitted.
Name another free ssh implementation. On every* UNIX and UNIX-like OS ssh is OpenSSH. OpenSSH is why we don't telnet everywhere anymore. *- Honestly, I don't know of anything that ships with something that is not OpenSSH.
There is some full implementation of SSH in Java that I found the one time I looked for. There's also Putty, but that's just the client.
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