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Re: David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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Post by chii » Mon, Jul 22, 2013, 1:45 PM UTC

computer wrote: post #316

mseebach wrote: post #291

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GDP is a measure of the size of the economy to allow comparison between different years and different countries. Putting things in fractions of GDP allows the same comparison to be made meaningfully. > Putting it mathematically correct "11 months" sounds much less scary. Yes, and for exactly this reason it's dishonest: It implies that you could, if you wanted, repay the debt in 11 months - which is impossible. Anyway…

> Yes, and for exactly this reason it's dishonest: It implies that you could, if you wanted, repay the debt in 11 months - which is impossible. It does not imply that. It's simply the mathematical truth of the units. I'm arguing that using percent is factually _false_, with as aim scaring people. I prefer truthful facts with explanation. Feel free to use a different thing than debt/GDP, but don't use something that's…

while i understand the unit, what does 11 months _mean_?

When you put debt as a percentage of GDP, it is understood to mean the "size" of the debt, with the implied "size" of 100% being bad (whether this is true or not, i m not sure).

Re: David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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Post by chii » Mon, Jul 22, 2013, 1:48 PM UTC

jsmeaton wrote: post #176

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Might be a good countermeasure. If people are bold enough in numbers, everybody put the evil words into Google search, rendering the data useless. Though it'd have to be done on a regular basis, which is not going to work out.

That's how I think we should combat things like PRISM. If there was a mass protest every week, by millions of individuals, all searching/texting/emailing "kill president" "home made bomb" "chemical explosion", that data would become really really heavy. They might have to cut back on drag-netting everything and focus on specific targets.

while they claim that such data is used for "fighting terrorism", i really doubt that's actually the case - its more data retention, and availability when required for intelligence operations against targets that benefit the administration. So such polluting wouldn't really help imho.

Re: David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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Post by chii » Mon, Jul 22, 2013, 1:51 PM UTC

yenoham wrote: post #49

rodgerd wrote: post #37

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I can't speak to Hollywood, but this presumably means it will be illegal to watch "Irreversable" online. Still, it's a handy way to tar anyone complaining about online survellience as a rape-loving pedophile.

I'd forgotten all about Irreversable - I purchased the DVD, then later on sold it on eBay... does this now mean I'm a 'user' and distributor? We'll have to see for sure, but it seems to suggest that the legislation only applies to videos that couldn't even get R18 (sex-shop only) rated - but I would have thought possession of those was illegal anyway. There are a ton of films, legally classified as 18 in the UK, that…

i always maintain that the classification is merely suggestions. I would propose that anything not classified should not be illegal to sell - just illegal to sell to minors (ie., same as the 18+ classification).

Re: David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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Post by tomjen3 » Mon, Jul 22, 2013, 1:57 PM UTC

will_asouka wrote: post #135

> "I have a very clear message for Google, Bing, Yahoo and the rest. You have a duty to act on this – and it is a moral duty. If there are technical obstacles to acting on [search engines], don't just stand by and say nothing can be done; use your great brains to help overcome them. >"You're the people who have worked out how to map almost every inch of the Earth from space; who have developed algorithms that make se…

Not only that but to have a politician lecture others on morality and duty. Such a hypocrit.

Re: David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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Post by tomjen3 » Mon, Jul 22, 2013, 2:02 PM UTC

goggles99 wrote: post #168

Yeah, porn should be at the fingertips of every man woman and child. Porn leads to healthy lifestyles and healthy sex lives, cultures and communities. Just look at life before porn existed. Never any healthy societies or sexual relationships then - they did not even exist. What harm could porn possibly cause anyone? Putting into someones mind a fantasy of how sex really can and should be? How could that ever cause an…

Please don't troll HN.

Re: David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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Post by dclowd9901 » Mon, Jul 22, 2013, 2:23 PM UTC

gojomo wrote: post #117

dclowd9901 wrote: post #90

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Spitzer was a dem who became a target of banks and credit institutions afraid of his cracking down on their anti-consumer business practices. He was Elizabeth Warren before Elizabeth Warren, and deserves more respect than to be pigeonholed as a politician with his pigeon in a hole. From Wikipedia: "Spitzer used this authority in his civil actions against corporations and criminal prosecutions against their officers."…

Spitzer prosecuted people for both prostitution and the same kind of 'structuring' of large cash transactions that he himself did. He deserves his place on the above 'moral crusaders who turned out to be hypocrites' list, even if you happen to like some of his other crusades.

Fair points, but on the flip side, it's one thing to prosecute because it's your job, and another to persecute simply because it's your political ideology or fundamental belief. For all we know, Spitzer felt like prostitution laws were stupid, which really wouldn't make him a hypocrite at all.

Re: David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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Post by Udo » Mon, Jul 22, 2013, 2:37 PM UTC

Sven7 wrote: post #318

Udo wrote: post #299

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I never said this before on any occasion, but I really hope you get banned for this and the other things you have done in this thread. > answered here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6082643 bandushrew didn't ask you a question, nor can I think of a case where mindlessly posting links to one's other posts in the same thread like you did could ever be considered OK. The post you linked to does not answer anything…

Do you have kids? If it offends your sensibilities censorship is always an option :)

Saying this is about offended sensibilities constitutes a gross and cheap misrepresentation of my argument, but it's also interesting that you're pro censorship when the government does it for dubious reasons, and at the same time you cry foul when someone complains about your methods on a private forum. Again, this is not necessarily about the opinions you're expressing, it's about your "commenting" style. Filtering such content out is not censorship, it's quality control.

Re: David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Jul 22, 2013, 3:07 PM UTC

rodgerd wrote: post #37

cskau wrote: post #35

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> > The possession of "extreme pornography", which includes scenes of simulated rape, is to be outlawed. > Video footage of two consenting adults, acting out a scene, will be illegal to own. With this on the books, it seems a short hop to outlaw videos of simulated murder. Even without such an extension, aren't there plenty of Hollywood movies which include "scenes of simulated rape"?

I can't speak to Hollywood, but this presumably means it will be illegal to watch "Irreversable" online. Still, it's a handy way to tar anyone complaining about online survellience as a rape-loving pedophile.

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Re: David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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Post by mcintyre1994 » Mon, Jul 22, 2013, 3:12 PM UTC

cskau wrote: post #35

conroy wrote: post #12

> Every household in Britain connected to the internet will be obliged to declare whether they want to maintain access to online pornography These declarations will only be used to shame public figures once the list is leaked. > The possession of "extreme pornography", which includes scenes of simulated rape, is to be outlawed. Video footage of two consenting adults, acting out a scene, will be illegal to own. With t…

> > The possession of "extreme pornography", which includes scenes of simulated rape, is to be outlawed. > Video footage of two consenting adults, acting out a scene, will be illegal to own. With this on the books, it seems a short hop to outlaw videos of simulated murder. Even without such an extension, aren't there plenty of Hollywood movies which include "scenes of simulated rape"?

The BBC's censored cut of The White Queen includes a scene that would pretty obviously fit the bill, and while it's not explicit it's based on history and she would be classified as a child too.

Re: David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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Post by user24 » Mon, Jul 22, 2013, 3:22 PM UTC

andyhmltn wrote: post #283

rmc wrote: post #265

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There are people who don't like sex. They don't think it's right for people to like sex, they think sex should only be used for procreation. I call them sex-orexics, like anarexics, they have a similar attitude towards sex that anarexics have towards food. It's just not healthy.

Indeed it's not. You often find that the people that have their sex life suppressed and made to feel disgusting are the ones with the weirdest bedroom habits.

> You often find that the people that have their sex life suppressed and made to feel disgusting are the ones with the weirdest bedroom habits.

Now let's imagine Britain in 18 years time when today's babies are adults who've had their sexuality suppressed by this censorship.