France to ban unsolicited telemarketing calls
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Re: France to ban unsolicited telemarketing calls
#332Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem with spoofing is that there are legitimate uses of it. It's probably solvable by only allowing spoofing of numbers you actually own (so if a hospital has 20 phone lines, they can spoof their publicly posted phone number, but random spammers can't spoof your neighbour's phone number). The fact that the phone companies haven't done this or much else yet goes to show how little they care.
It's not that they don't care, it's just that the protocol behind it was never designed for it. Compared for example to email where when you want to send email to somebody, you discover its MX settings on the DNS level and then send it directly and the receiver can verify are you allowed to send those emails. With phone calls it's basically a network of interconnects so I'm sending the call directly to my provider bu…
Whatever the issue is, they should figure out a system that can't be abused by scammers. Failing that, I'm totally fine with also blocking companies that have their own reasons to spoof numbers.
Re: France to ban unsolicited telemarketing calls
#333Earlier quoted context omitted.
... why would my day-to-day involve calling a doctor or hospital if im healthy? _they_ call _me_ with ideas on how to get me to pay them; when i go in, my vitals are strong
What I mean, is that normally, people go to the doctor and hospital for a whole host of reasons, and if the doctor never says "actually, that's nothing to worry about" or "the test was negative" then either maybe you're not going to the doctor enough, or your overall health is so bad you never get "good news" from the doctor when you go there. But then I remembered that most people here are Americans, and you (if you…
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Re: France to ban unsolicited telemarketing calls
#334Earlier quoted context omitted.
Walk me through an example here. I'm a telemarketer who calls you up, sells you on something, and charges your card. What changes in that scenario?
You can't charge nobody's card because in order to do so you'd first need to sign a verbal contract.
Again, please explain the details of what you're thinking. If I get a card number, type it into my POS system, collect money, and send you a product, who's going to stop me?
Re: France to ban unsolicited telemarketing calls
#335Earlier quoted context omitted.
Most countries have these no call lists but they are fairly useless as there is no enforcement. I've even heard stories of some scammers exclusively using such lists, as they are pre-verified!
> Most countries have these no call lists but they are fairly useless as there is no enforcement What country are you in that it doesn't work in? I know for a fact it works in Spain and Sweden, but it'll really depend on the country. You'd help by others by being a bit more explicit :) > I've even heard stories of some scammers exclusively using such lists, as they are pre-verified! That does suck and seems counter-p…
>I know for a fact it works in Spain and Sweden
How do you know that a call that never reaches you was stopped by the no-call list as opposed to your number not being on the list of numbers to call today?
Re: France to ban unsolicited telemarketing calls
#336Earlier quoted context omitted.
American? I felt and feel the same - but mostly about Americans. These folks get it done, and embarrass us as a society: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Protests_in_South_Kor... Especially the most recent strike.
Canadian. Close enough And yes, some countries still seem to have effective protests. I just don't have a lot of confidence in the power of protest to overcome the power of lobbyists
Lobbyists can’t control you if you and 3%-20% of the country are in the road instead of doing the transactions or paperwork the ownership class wants you to be doing.
Be like the Koreans.
Re: France to ban unsolicited telemarketing calls
#337This is a great move by France, but most of the rest of the world does not suffer from the telemarketing scam hell that Americans do. I am a US citizen living overseas. I have a US cell number that is only used for 2FA for US financial institutions. No one else has that number. I get more scam calls every day on that number than I do in a year on my local number. It's crazy. Most of the world has solved the worst of…
I live in the U.S., have a U.S. phone number, and get maybe one spam call every six months. (Spam texts about once a month, with the exception of before elections, when it’s more.) I wonder what causes the difference. Do I have a newer phone number that isn’t on as many lists? Or is my carrier filtering calls before they get to my phone? I briefly activated a second SIM on an MVNO that gave me a new number, and that…
How do you keep your phone out of data leaks?
Re: France to ban unsolicited telemarketing calls
#338Great idea! Telemarketers have ruined the phone network for me. I haven't answered an unknown call for the past 10 years, which sometimes means I miss important ones. 99.9% of all calls are an attempt to get money, and the 0.1% that's a dentist appointment, a friend that changed numbers or whatever become collateral damage. A ban is the right idea but I wonder how they can handle it, logistically. I think there needs…
Allow people to charge 25 cents to accept calls from unknown numbers.
I believe iOS has a feature to force unknown numbers to declare themselves before connecting, which is less good but still a thing.
Re: France to ban unsolicited telemarketing calls
#339Earlier quoted context omitted.
What benefits would the government (not the people) get from shutting down scammers? Scammers still pay taxes, and companies like Amazon that benefit from revenue obtained by scammers are major donors.
Uh, it's a representative democracy... The government isn't some nebulous mythical gorgon, it's supposedly responsive and representative of the people's needs. Also I assure you, scammers aren't honestly filling out I-9s and W-4s adding up all the Western Union receipts. They're scamming the IRS as well
> Uh, it's a representative democracy
Stating that doesn’t make it so. The US government doesn’t “represent” its people any more than the Chinese government does. Quite possibly less so.
Re: France to ban unsolicited telemarketing calls
#340I stopped getting spam calls in Russia after operators started blocking unsigned (unmarked?) calls. (all outgoing call from business and sole proprietors are required to be signed since September 2025).
Not sure if this will hold for too long, because there is always a way, but still.