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Post by inigyou »

kelvinjps10 wrote: post #318
inigyou wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AFAIK it's legal to set up a trigger that wipes a device. It isn't legal to choose to wipe your device after you know the government wants the data. Tricking the government into wiping it is still allowed, especially if you tell them not to do that.

isn't this what that guy did and he got in trouble for it? I'm talking about the one when asked for the pin gave the pin that would wipe the data from his graphene os phone

No he gave the duress PIN while implying it was the correct PIN. That was the crime. Also they only caught him because he bragged that it was the duress PIN after the wipe.

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Post by inigyou »

brookst wrote: post #323
inigyou wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That happened because he chose to give the duress PIN. Cops are allowed to just grab your finger and scan it against your protest. You can say "don't do that, it'll wipe my phone" and they'll do it anyway and it'll wipe your phone, and now it certainly isn't your fault.

“One simple trick” stuff rarely survives contact with the court system. Tech people like to imagine law is code, but it’s not. Nor should it be.

This may be true for hackers but courts have to prove guilty beyond a reasonable doubt to the letter of the law.

The law here is destruction of evidence. The guy destroyed evidence by giving the wrong password to the police. If the police had destroyed it of their own accord, he'd be free. If the duress PIN was 1234 and the police just tried it, he'd be free.

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Post by WarmWash »

toofy wrote: post #94

we desperately need a separation of corporations and state the same way we have a separation of church and state . we need a government that is antagonistic towards corporations that are abusing us. it’s wild how much influence they have and how little pushback the government ever gives them when they clearly abuse us from every direction.

Corporations are the ones who make money for the government.

The people elect the leaders, and the corporations bankroll the operations. Every time a new hot startup comes about, the government anticipates an army of highly paid (read: top tax bracket) individuals being cultivated.

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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Post by MomsAVoxell »

dTal wrote: post #316
MomsAVoxell wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would be fine with the NSA recording everything I do, if I had access to it as a backup. I think it would be a valuable service a government could perform for me - assuming there were a way to make sure the data was not accessed without my side of the key. I would also think it pretty neat, were I able to use it as a backup over my life, for my own purposes - if I could do it without involving the spooks. Like, let…

That's like saying "I would be fine with people shooting at me, if only the bullets were replaced with quarters and they were carefully handed over instead of fired at high velocity".

First of all, there is currently zero good, democratic, public control over the oppressive apparatus currently recording everyone, and everything. It is a fascist utopia of human rights violations, the western intelligence apparatus.

So, let's not bumble over inapt euphemism. There is for sure a far worse scenario that can be offered - but there is a far better outcome, if an intelligence super-state is to be accomplished 'to protect the people', then the people need the means by which to protect themselves, from it.

That is for sure not happening right now. We are all having our human rights violently violated, every millisecond of a handle.

So, what I am proposing - and not at all surprised is being misunderstood - is that I don't mind them recording the details of my life, as long as I am the first and foremost customer - i.e. completely private in the recording system - until and unless there is some democratic order from the state which requires me to unlock the timeline. In which case, I'm fine with it - because I ain't no terrorist, and I'd be a happier person if, instead of the government using weapons to protect me, it instead just made sure my legacy was backed up in the big human digital cloud that is now propelling itself through the universe.

You know, instead of Zuck/Musk/&co., it were just a wide open, well maintained, public good.

No, this does not mean I want NSA-spooks spying on me. That is different from being recorded. The only time I want my fully backed up data made available publicly, is when I need to defend myself against claims of criminal behavior.

I don't believe in the secret intelligence apparatus, one bit. I'd be far happier with an open intelligence apparatus, invested in, by the people I elect to maintain democratic principles. The anti-thesis to the surveillance state.

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Post by dwedge »

inigyou wrote: post #199
matheusmoreira wrote: post #194

> Until recently, only spies and criminals had to worry this obsessively about their private statements being picked up by electronic equipment. > But soon, the average person might need to deploy surveillance countermeasures. Already there. If you want privacy and anonymity online, you're looking at literal terrorist cell tier tradecraft. That means pulling up documents written by people from the "counterterrorism c…

Using GrapheneOS makes you a terrorist now. I'm a terrorist.

I used GrapheneOS without a sim card for 4 months and the battery life was great. I put a sim card in, and since then (2 months) the battery dies twice as fast no matter which profile it's in, and dies faster even on airplane mode. I left it at 80% the other day and went out, came back 6 hours later and it was dead and red hot.

Maybe it's just a dodgy phone, maybe it's not doing something on the less-trackable sim connection, but I realised I can never really know.

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Post by aidenn0 »

ChoGGi wrote: post #324
wackro wrote: post #290

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Presumably if you're driven by paranoia to buy or make a Faraday box you will be paranoid enough to try putting your phone in it and calling it

I bought a Faraday box for my car keys. I made sure it was big enough for my phone, then used a network monitoring app.

Car keys usually use a wavelength of 1 meter; networking on your phone is going to be typically shorter than 15cm (though varies widely based on geographic region and carrier). A faraday box for your phone might not work for your car keys.

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Post by dns_snek »

brookst wrote: post #323
inigyou wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That happened because he chose to give the duress PIN. Cops are allowed to just grab your finger and scan it against your protest. You can say "don't do that, it'll wipe my phone" and they'll do it anyway and it'll wipe your phone, and now it certainly isn't your fault.

“One simple trick” stuff rarely survives contact with the court system. Tech people like to imagine law is code, but it’s not. Nor should it be.

Can you come up with a plausible argument for how that applies in this scenario? What they said doesn't hinge on some sort of "clever" technicality.
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