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New Amazon Data Center Is Set to Have the Most Polluting Power Plant in the U.S.

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Good answer. Too bad the people that should get the message are barely literate.

People with other ideas are barely literate. Said someone who feels good about himself today but couldn't offer up actual facts and offered nothing to the conversation.

Your "facts" is just great replacement theory.

Debating racists is a fool's errand. I choose mockery instead.

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> The natives in Europe are white. You are bundling a lot of ethnicities, many of those who historically had major grievances amongst themselves, in race bullshit very specific to the US. A "white" label is very meaningless this side of the pond. I have little patience for this shit, the US truly is a sick place if your rhetoric is what it produces.

I understand white people not identifying with each other and supporting each other. Other racial groups stick together and that's why you are hearing people say wake up from across the pond. In the end what you don't value will disappear including your nation.

You literally have no idea how ethnicities in Europe operate, but still insist on extremely wrong ideas with confidence.

In fact, you have no idea how ethnicities work in other countries as well. Places as old as China and India have a lot of baggage in terms of ethnicity, culture, and language within their own borders.

Not to mention Africa where those borders where drawn by Europeans that had no interest in how things were actually organized, sometimes lumping together tribes that fucking hated each other for generations in the same country.

I am not even bringing up religion, as it will open up another very messy can of worms.

Again, you are applying the logic of US racial schism to places where it is simply non-existent, and pretending the rest of the world operate in your very local, very foreign, racist logic.

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Do you have any source? The global scientific community and more specifically the GIEC have been saying the opposite for years...

I have been trying to look for sources myself and I feel like this whole sector is rampant with "noble lies". If you dig into the sources you will find Economic predictions: The most serious mainstream institutions[1] will dress it up us an imminent catastrophe as if humanity itself will collapse if we don't do anything. But once you read the real predictions, you will realise that that it they just say things would…

To respond to your edit: The first document is a report on the economic upside of further investment + regulation on climate. It has nothing to do with downside risk of inaction. To the extent it mentions "whether things will get better than now or not," it certainly does not argue things will just be better.

> However, current efforts are not keeping pace with rising risks. The world remains on an upwards emissions trajectory, and climate action is losing momentum as countries face a range of competing geopolitical, financial and economic challenges that slow its pace and scale. Without further action climate risks will intensify, and rising disasters, economic instability and financial system vulnerabilities will threaten long-term growth and development.

> Actual benefits [of deeper investment + regulation] could be even greater, as uncertain current estimates do not fully account for the economic and social consequences of the increased likelihood of crossing tipping points, such as melting ice sheets or reversing circulation patterns in the ocean.

So yes you're reading a publication explicitly written, labeled, and marketed as a positive economic case for deeper investment and regulation, and then saying "see it's just saying things will get better if we invest/regulate, it doesn't talk about downside risk!" But it explicitly says it's not looking at downside risk.

Here's the same credible organization in a 2022 report on the downside risks: (https://www.oecd.org/en/publications/climate-tipping-points_...)

> This report reviews evidence that overshooting 1.5°C may push the earth over several tipping points, leading to irreversible and severe changes in the climate system. If triggered, tipping point impacts will rapidly cascade through socio-economic and ecological systems, leading to severe effects on human and natural systems and imposing important challenges for human adaptation

> Based on the most recent science and consultations with renowned experts, this report argues that it is no longer appropriate to consider the risk of crossing tipping points as low-probability.

Note that inversely, this report does not make a positive argument for the economic growth potential of intervention, because it's a report on downside risk.

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They'd consider themselves Croatian and Serbian. Whiteness is an American construct that is absolutely meaningless and smushes literal millenia of history into OBE category because your country's history is so short. Please refrain from spreading nonsense you clearly know nothing about.

Those are not choices on a form with race. Presented with a form they would select white. Nationalism isn't race. You are losing the debate changing goalposts doesn't work.

There is no such thing as race in Europe. You still do not understand the very fundamentals. The forms would not indicate white, they'd indicate Croat and Serbian. Here's the census from back when they shared a country: [0]. Note the absence of "white".

A Croat will never agree they are the same anything as a Serb.

Your limited understanding smushed millennia of history into the primitive categories your country developed in it's short existence. They have zero meaning here and your continued ignorance serves as example why it would be better for everyone if you stopped talking about things you know nothing about.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_Socialist_...

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People with other ideas are barely literate. Said someone who feels good about himself today but couldn't offer up actual facts and offered nothing to the conversation.

Your "facts" is just great replacement theory. Debating racists is a fool's errand. I choose mockery instead.

Debating is impossible when you don't have facts supporting you. Mockery is next followed by acceptance. Wish you well on your journey towards knowledge.

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Happened to the people before these natives. Don't let the same thing happen to you.

What are you even talking about?

Natives replaced other natives. Don't let it happen to you.

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Those are not choices on a form with race. Presented with a form they would select white. Nationalism isn't race. You are losing the debate changing goalposts doesn't work.

There is no such thing as race in Europe. You still do not understand the very fundamentals. The forms would not indicate white, they'd indicate Croat and Serbian. Here's the census from back when they shared a country: [0]. Note the absence of "white". A Croat will never agree they are the same anything as a Serb. Your limited understanding smushed millennia of history into the primitive categories your country deve…

"no such thing as race in Europe"

You lost the debate here. People classify themselves in a million ways. But we are talking race. Next you'll say there are no males or females just Croats or Serbs. No blonds or brown haired people just Serbs or Croats. Lol.

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There is no such thing as race in Europe. You still do not understand the very fundamentals. The forms would not indicate white, they'd indicate Croat and Serbian. Here's the census from back when they shared a country: [0]. Note the absence of "white". A Croat will never agree they are the same anything as a Serb. Your limited understanding smushed millennia of history into the primitive categories your country deve…

"no such thing as race in Europe" You lost the debate here. People classify themselves in a million ways. But we are talking race. Next you'll say there are no males or females just Croats or Serbs. No blonds or brown haired people just Serbs or Croats. Lol.

Again, you don't understand. Race is absolutely meaningless here. It is a concept developed in the US a few hundred years ago to justify slavery.

You insist it maps to our continent, which has had identities develop long before we came to invade your part of the world.

It does not, no matter how much you insist. You told me it's what people would pick on forms. I showed you the form. It wasn't even an option.

There is no debate. It is just you trying to map your racial animus to a set of societies that based on your continued confusion are much too complex for you to understand and me trying to educate you.

Croats and Serbs are just the most obvious example. We can also play the same game with Poles and Russians or any number of ethnicities.

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What are you even talking about?

Natives replaced other natives. Don't let it happen to you.

No man, the whites are not natives, definitionally. They were invaders and even in your twisted nativist ideology never had a claim to Canada.

At least be consistent.

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> feeling powerless to stop it You guys are the meekest sheep to ever been led astray by a howling, undisguised wolf. What more does this regime have to do to warrant massive, historic, disruptive, non-peaceful protests in the USA? Have you seen protests in France? Bringing the country to a halt is the least you have to do in order for us to ever have faith in the USA again. Until then, nothing any US citizen can say…

I admit I haven't followed the French protests as closely as I should have. Do they shoot protestors in the face with teargas canisters there too? Maybe they do. Do those protestors face the real possibility of medical bankruptcy if they need extensive care? Does France enforce laws that protect striking workers?

To answer my own question: Yes, police in France also under scrutiny: https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/france-once-again-critici...
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