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Re: Hacker wipes Romania's land registry database

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Post by leoc »

ButlerianJihad wrote: post #273
giancarlostoro wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fun fact, if you're unlucky enough to replace your Social Security card 10 times, they will no longer issue them to you anymore. It is a lifetime limit, and they fan it out to 3 per year. Oddly enough, if you legally change your name, they will send you a new one regardless of the limit.

The circumstances in which you actually need to physically present your Social Security card are quite rare indeed. In fact, that is the first thing I was told by the ssa dot gov site, when I applied to receive a new card. It is very unlikely that you will be asked, even by a prospective employer, for your actual card, because let's face it: it doesn't even have a photo, or anything but that unique number on it. Anyo…

Here's a pretty good video about a somewhat similar challenge, that of proving your citizenship in ancient Rome: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTt0qwncDXI .

Re: Hacker wipes Romania's land registry database

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Post by lebuffon »

gchamonlive wrote: post #322
lebuffon wrote: post #279

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Sure at the "end game" stage you are correct. But on the way to that stage it does what it does really well, meaning it makes lots more capital. De Soto is talking about why it "cannot" get started in a place without government controlled land registry.

Sorry to break it to you but we are past end game since possibly the dot-com bubble. "Cannot work well" and "cannot get started" are two different things. The whole of Latin America apart from Cuba is capitalist, for better or worse, regardless of how bad those countries keep their books.

If De Soto is correct, and I am not qualified to judge, based on your statement about land ownership in Brazil, then capitalism was not fully developed to where it could have been. Get the book. It's an interesting read.

And yes I can see that we are at the end of an era. This may be more the end of the U.S. empire than the elimination of capitalism, but for sure a new 'ism" is going to be required soon. What that is will be interesting to see. It would be nice to see someone with imagination come along instead the bipolar options we are handed today.

Re: Hacker wipes Romania's land registry database

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Post by ChrisClark »

b112 wrote: post #211
sib wrote: post #119

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There are many examples of important paper records (property, birth/death, etc) being lost in fires or floods, so it's not the case that "everything worked perfectly fine" in those days either.

All those examples are not different from not having backups of digital data too. Making copies when you microfiche, having duplicate stores, it's all exceptionally easy and a solved problem. And of course everything didn't work perfectly, it did however work "perfectly fine", which means "very well" or "good enough". Meanwhile, adding in network connectivity to anything vital these days is just insanely dumb. No sof…

I was ready to argue until I got to the end "My point is that the advantages aren't worth the disadvantages."

Suddenly your entire argument shifted in my head and I fully agree.

Might be something there I can learn about myself then :D

Re: Hacker wipes Romania's land registry database

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Post by protocolture »

FeepingCreature wrote: post #102
codedokode wrote: post #81

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So that 50% attack results in someone taking all the land? No thanks. It is a poor idea to use blockchain for government registries. If you want transparency, simply publish signed daily updates and that's enough. Just use simple DB with backups, and optionally, a printer printing changes on a paper.

Yeah, the overwhelming majority of the benefit of blockchain here is just gotten by making the data public and signed. Now you may argue "that is a blockchain, not every blockchain is associated with a shitcoin" but to be frank that ship has sailed, if you wanted to defend that you'd have had to do a lot more work over the past decade.

>Now you may argue "that is a blockchain, not every blockchain is associated with a shitcoin" but to be frank that ship has sailed, if you wanted to defend that you'd have had to do a lot more work over the past decade.

What do you mean by "More Work" here?

There were plenty of tests and pilots of systems like that described. Dual goals of reducing the cost of transferring property and publicly attesting all current ownership. Real lawyers and real lawmakers developed proposals to integrate these sort of services with current public land registries.

The issue as far as I see it isnt the "work" its the "antiwork". If you want to learn about land sale nft pilots you literally have to put -metaverse into the google search to weed out the metaverse nonsense. Theres just too much noise around blockchain for even the best signal to penetrate. The stupid monkey nft guys really fucked the whole space. Probably take another decade to dig out all the toxic waste from blockchains reputation.

Re: Hacker wipes Romania's land registry database

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Post by alok-g »

osinix wrote: post #208

The backups got wiped together with the systems, so they were reachable from same network. A backup the attacker can reach is not a backup. Good they had an offline copy, but a system this important should have that as regular schedule, not depend on luck.

Any guidelines on how to back up such that the attacker cannot reach (when the hacker otherwise had some valid credentials)?

Re: Hacker wipes Romania's land registry database

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Post by pixl97 »

bluGill wrote: post #289
judemelancon wrote: post #276

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This is not true anywhere I've lived, and I'm curious where it is true.

Most of the us has it like that. Some of the early states still do 'nw to the stump', a stump that rotted away before 1800... The newer states learned that lesson and land is to something more likely to last and hard to move. Metal stakes are most common. Though most people are not aware of the stake since there is no reason to look for it.

They are commonly found by lawn mowers after some erosion.

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Post by dghlsakjg »

singleshot_ wrote: post #327
dghlsakjg wrote: post #316

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The title proves ownership (kinda), but does not define the outline of the property itself. If the you need to know if the fence is on your property or the neighbor’s, a title or deed won’t help you find that line. So if the official survey is lost and you need to know where the land you own is, you will need a survey.

Recorded deed will more or less universally contain a legal description of the land. This does, in fact, defined the illegal outline of the parcel. A survey is little more than marching out into the field and putting at the location where you believe the boundaries to be based on your review of the legal description. Of course that’s not the end of the discussion as to boundaries for reasons like adverse possession o…

Very place dependent and not so universal in my experience. Where I live the title/deed just has street address. A completely separate agency holds the plot map that links addresses to physical measurements.

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Post by alok-g »

RandomLensman wrote: post #40
drdrey wrote: post #33

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fires? floods? documents getting lost/misplaced/stolen/destroyed?

Seems to be rather sturdy in my experience. Would we even be able to read an electronic record after 100 or 200 years of storage? Old piece of paper is quite accessible.

Documents getting lost/misplaced/stolen/destroyed is common in some places (owing to corruption or what). "Local in scope" but rampant. Digitization has been a panacea as there is more control over the records, but now more prone to hacking.

Re: Hacker wipes Romania's land registry database

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Post by reaperducer »

ButlerianJihad wrote: post #273
giancarlostoro wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fun fact, if you're unlucky enough to replace your Social Security card 10 times, they will no longer issue them to you anymore. It is a lifetime limit, and they fan it out to 3 per year. Oddly enough, if you legally change your name, they will send you a new one regardless of the limit.

The circumstances in which you actually need to physically present your Social Security card are quite rare indeed. In fact, that is the first thing I was told by the ssa dot gov site, when I applied to receive a new card. It is very unlikely that you will be asked, even by a prospective employer, for your actual card, because let's face it: it doesn't even have a photo, or anything but that unique number on it. Anyo…

But this time around, even though I applied online, I was directed to make an appointment at the field office and physically walk in there, to prove my humanity.

I'm curious when this happened. The phrase "but this time around" makes it sound fairly recent. However, my wife had this very procedure required back in the 1990's.

She also had the same experience as you: Very friendly civil servants eager to help, and things were cleared up quickly once she understood the process.

Re: Hacker wipes Romania's land registry database

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Post by reaperducer »

irjustin wrote: post #324
ButlerianJihad wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The circumstances in which you actually need to physically present your Social Security card are quite rare indeed. In fact, that is the first thing I was told by the ssa dot gov site, when I applied to receive a new card. It is very unlikely that you will be asked, even by a prospective employer, for your actual card, because let's face it: it doesn't even have a photo, or anything but that unique number on it. Anyo…

> SSNs are not a "national ID" That's not what they are, but that's what they've defacto become. I hate it.

Is that still true?

Except for certain industries where the government has a direct interest (banking, healthcare, real estate), I don't think anyone has asked for my SSN in at least a decade. It's not like the old days when you'd fork over your SSN to rent videos at Blockbuster.

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