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Post by Maken »

somelamer567 wrote: post #323
Maken wrote: post #301

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are mixing apples and oranges. The infamous Huawei deal was buying tons of HDD servers. Any deal with Palantir is handling all your data to the NSA.

The NSA have Congressional oversight and are held accountable for their (mis)deeds, more or less. The Chinese MSS and the Chinese Communist Party itself aren't even accountable to God.

Because the NSA has such a great record of getting punished from their transgressions, right?

For foreign countries, handling your data to either the Chinese surveillance apparatus or the USA one makes no difference. In fact, any company with such deep ties with a foreign intelligence agency as Palantir should be automatically considered a security thread in other nations.

Anyway, the deal with Huawei was about buying hardware, not handling over data.

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Post by fakedang »

dofm wrote: post #58
NooneAtAll3 wrote: post #50

why not simply make it illegal? why make it a ban specific to one company, are they trying to make their own copy?

Palantir is profoundly untrusted in Europe in part because of Alex Karp. He is viewed as a dangerous neo-nationalist (not incorrectly). Never really sure why Anduril doesn't catch the same grief; they are maybe even creepier. Perhaps Palmer Luckey is just a less visible obvious Bond villain crackpot.

There are European alternatives to Anduril. But there are no European alternatives to Palantir, that's why.

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Post by loeber »

omnimus wrote: post #272
loeber wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're moving the goalposts. The original poster wrote that Palantir is on par with the Nazis. (Typos notwithstanding.) That's what I'm responding to. And yes, it is offensive and trivializing to the millions that were murdered to suggest that that their murderers were on the same moral footing as a modern government software consultancy. (The views that you read into some of their executives are, in fact, not equiva…

So you are saying that using term nazi or fascist can be used only for people that do holocaust and more. Okay so I guess we shall just wait and see? What the CEO says and writes in their book to promote the company suddenly doesn't matter? Palantir is suddenly just some run of the mill software consultancy? Their founders/CEO meddling in politics I assume also doesn't count? Seems like somebody has lot of $$$ in PLT…

I have zero dollar exposure to $PLTR.

And no, you're moving the goalposts again. My comment is strictly about Nazis, not "nazi or fascist". If you can't even keep this straight, then my time is wasted on you.

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Post by danudey »

red-iron-pine wrote: post #318
pvaldes wrote: post #294

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Don't be fooled. Israel is also attacking countries in Europe They did when being caught messing with elections in Scotland, Europe, for example. Whom Europeans vote are none of the Israel business. And there is a reasonable suspicion that they were sending sex traps for decades to blackmail European elites, left and right. This is not how a real friend behave.

Israel has its back to the wall and needs every advantage, since literally everyone else around them hates them. they have the US congress and a few cats-paws in Europe, and if that runs out, they die

The reason everyone hates them is that they've been committing genocide for decades and have refused any sort of peace process. All the countries around them have offered to guarantee Israel's security in exchange for just letting the Palestians live their lives free of oppression but Israel is not willing to give up its land grab because the narrative that 'everyone is trying to destroy us' is what keeps the right wing in power and allows the population to look the other way.

Even the US was concerned recently that Israel was planning not just to sabotage the peace talks with Iran but to assassinate the Iranian representatives:

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/429561

The only reason Israel has its back to the wall is that its 'never again' attitude has extended to any concept of solving problems that doesn't involve military force, and since they've had the backing of the US that means they've been able to get away with anything they wanted so far. It's the asshole little brother whose big brother will beat you up if he ever runs the risk of facing the consequences of his actions.

If Israel had any desire to live in peace with their neighbors then maybe they would, but either they don't want peace except through victory, they don't want peace if it means giving up the ability to continue their ethnic cleansing of Palestine to build more settlements, or they want peace but they don't believe that anyone else wants it (despite everyone else trying to work towards it except them).

If they hadn't been so focused on aggression, genocide, and apartheid for the past 70 years maybe this all could have been solved, but the narrative that they're the only bastion of democracy and freedom in West Asia/North Africa and that's why everyone wants to destroy them doesn't hold up to the barest of scrutiny.

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Post by xyzzyz »

dofm wrote: post #58
NooneAtAll3 wrote: post #50

why not simply make it illegal? why make it a ban specific to one company, are they trying to make their own copy?

Palantir is profoundly untrusted in Europe in part because of Alex Karp. He is viewed as a dangerous neo-nationalist (not incorrectly). Never really sure why Anduril doesn't catch the same grief; they are maybe even creepier. Perhaps Palmer Luckey is just a less visible obvious Bond villain crackpot.

What is creepy about Anduril? Anduril simply sells weapons. There's nothing mysterious or nefarious about it. European countries want to buy weapons too.

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Post by aosmith »

Manuel_D wrote: post #165
bogwog wrote: post #163

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For anyone causally scrolling by, know these people are trolls. The founder of Palantir has called technology an "incredible alternative to politics", saying: > you could unilaterally change the world without having to constantly convince people and beg people and plead with people who are never going to agree with you through technological means If that's not "technofascism" then idk what is. Trying to spin that as…

You realize that "changing the world without politics" doesn't mean overthrow of democracy. It means founding businesses to produce goods and services that change the world. Google and Facebook absolutely changed the world, not through politics, but by creating technology.

He's a troll, carry on...

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Post by faust201 »

littlecranky67 wrote: post #9
_ink_ wrote: post #5

I really like what Spain is doing recently. If it weren't for climate change, I'd consider moving there.

Canary Islands are part of Spain and probably unaffected from climate change - we have 19-22°C all year round. If it raises to 25° still pretty livable.

Are you sure? It is sometimes close to 30°C in summer in Fue. BTW, did you forget sealevel rises, dust from Sahara, what is you have many days of > 40km/h winds. all those are climate change.

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Post by omnimus »

loeber wrote: post #333
omnimus wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you are saying that using term nazi or fascist can be used only for people that do holocaust and more. Okay so I guess we shall just wait and see? What the CEO says and writes in their book to promote the company suddenly doesn't matter? Palantir is suddenly just some run of the mill software consultancy? Their founders/CEO meddling in politics I assume also doesn't count? Seems like somebody has lot of $$$ in PLT…

I have zero dollar exposure to $PLTR. And no, you're moving the goalposts again. My comment is strictly about Nazis, not "nazi or fascist". If you can't even keep this straight, then my time is wasted on you.

That's the problem? I thought that Nazism and Fascism are often used interchangeably because Nazism = Fascism+ (racism,antisemitism).

Ok this might be a misunderstanding then. What you are saying is that Palantir are not Nazis because they are just Fascists and calling them Nazis is hollowing out the term and is disrespectful to holocaust survivors? I don't know i guess i could be convinced. Palantir still seems to have quite a bit of that racial sprinkle "Western Supremacy" in their manifestos.

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