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U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

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Re: U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

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Post by hagemt »

naturalmovement wrote: post #323
zarzavat wrote: post #314

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Technically the US government is allowing Anthropic to serve the models to any US citizen, and it's Anthropic who decided that's impossible to comply with and so they pulled the model for everyone. I guess a US business with non-citizen employees could work. A lawsuit would be a hard sell though, because Anthropic themselves argued that the technology is dangerous. Even if many people on HN might think that Anthropic…

> I guess a US business with non-citizen employees could work. No. Only if those employees have a green card and the company must not only take on that responsibility but ensure other employees are denied access. Otherwise the company would be subject to millions in fines. US export laws are no fuckin' joke like everyone here seems to think they are. It's really frustrating to read pages of comments rooted in emotion…

> It's really frustrating to read pages of comments rooted in emotion and no understanding of the existing laws.

I read your frustration. Try to let go of the fact that there are many smart people who aren't experts in legal affairs. Cite eCFR if they're wrong, and move on. As much as they don't know the rules, you don't know their situation.

For all you know, the subscriber may be a US Citizen + Delaware C Corp owner.

Re: U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

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Post by deaux »

tyre wrote: post #154
Alien1Being wrote: post #120

Don't start to rely on it . The US might remove access next month in a fit of pique. The Chinese models look increasingly more reliable and safer.

This is a pithy internet comment, but terrible advice. Between the Chinese government and Anthropic, I know which one I'd rather send tokens to. For all of the problems of the US, for-profit corporations, data harvesting, etc. the CCP (and, perhaps more troublesome, its allies) is far less likely to align with your interests.

> Between the Chinese government and Anthropic, I know which one I'd rather send tokens to.

You meant to write "Between the Chinese government and the US government". Completely agreed though, better to send it to the former.

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Post by caseysoftware »

LamaOfRuin wrote: post #279
jandrewrogers wrote: post #270

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These regulations have been in place since the 1990s and have been applied by every administration. It isn’t a new authority and many companies have had the opportunity to fight it. Anthropic’s lawyers will know this.

None of them have asserted that export controls apply to whatever domestic distribution the administration says that never leaves the country.

Before you offer legal advice, you should at least check the legal definition of "export":

> The EAR definition of “export” extends beyond the transportation of physical goods outside the U.S.

> A “Deemed export” is the release of technology or source code to a foreign national in the U.S. The release is “deemed” to be an export to the last permanent residence status/citizenship of the foreign national. This can occur through demonstration, oral briefing, site visit, or through transmission of non-public data.

Ref: https://exportcontrol.lbl.gov/training/export-control-overvi...

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Post by digitaltrees »

andsoitis wrote: post #147
gkoberger wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump has an 87% approval rating amongst Republicans as of the last poll I can find. While Trump is a megalomanic and does whatever he wants, he has the mandate of the Republican party, whose elected officials could choose at any moment to end this by withdrawing support. Don't let them off the hook.

> Trump has an 87% approval rating amongst Republicans as of the last poll I can find. It's lower than that. Most polls show below 80%. > Don't let them off the hook. That's not the way.

80% is cult numbers especially when you consider Trump has changed the platform to be the opposite of basically everything the party stood for.

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Post by deaux »

alanwreath wrote: post #86

I’m not sure what the US government is trying to do. At first it seems like they are just trying to stifle some company that said no. Now they are just doing free publicity. It’s like never before have I wanted to try something out as much as this. They’re in effect saying “nothing else is as powerful as what Anthropic put out”. Even though that might not really be the case it’s what it sounds like.

Could you share some pictures of the rock you're living under? The US regime is concerned with furthering the interests of a closed circle of powerful loyals. This achieves that goal. Access is reserved to those loyals.

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Post by scarmig »

Avicebron wrote: post #274
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #177

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Is there any evidence at all that would convince you that they're trying to mitigate real risks that actually exist?

What real risks? Genuinely. I've read all the sci fi they have. It's not hard to see where the ideas came from. What's being questioned is this sentiment of "The only way to save humanity is for me and my lighthaven groupies to become Xillionaire god-kings"

The latter question is 100% reasonable, and something I also fall on.

But there's definitely a large contingent who denies that they think there's any risk at all, instead of them engaging in motivated reasoning to think their self interest just so happens to coincide with what is best for safety.

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Post by digitaltrees »

truthbe wrote: post #107

Open source should create a new license where it specifically doesn't allow release to these "trusted partners".

And blocks not just training on the oss code but use of it by models. If they want to build on the shoulders of us plebes they shouldn’t be able to include our code in their vibe coded bs

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Post by boc »

ThunderSizzle wrote: post #208
brokencode wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think they’d try to get something through Congress to regulate the industry in a rules-based way. The current admin flies by the seat of their pants and at least creates the perception of political decision making.

Obamacare, but for AI, where every American has to now pay a penalty to not use AI or something like that? That was the last major thing the Democrats did, and healthcare has gotten substantially worse...but at least it's well regulated now.

The IRA and the CHIPS Act were the "last major thing" the Dems did, and both were far better policy for tech than anything out of this current administration.

Re: U.S. allows Anthropic to release Mythos AI to ‘trusted’ US organizations

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Post by naturalmovement »

hagemt wrote: post #331
naturalmovement wrote: post #323

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I guess a US business with non-citizen employees could work. No. Only if those employees have a green card and the company must not only take on that responsibility but ensure other employees are denied access. Otherwise the company would be subject to millions in fines. US export laws are no fuckin' joke like everyone here seems to think they are. It's really frustrating to read pages of comments rooted in emotion…

> It's really frustrating to read pages of comments rooted in emotion and no understanding of the existing laws. I read your frustration. Try to let go of the fact that there are many smart people who aren't experts in legal affairs. Cite eCFR if they're wrong, and move on. As much as they don't know the rules, you don't know their situation. For all you know, the subscriber may be a US Citizen + Delaware C Corp owne…

At some point it becomes willful ignorance of history.

I remember a time not very long ago when everyday crypto like 128-bit SSL was restricted under US export law. The old web browsers came in separate, "exportable" versions. [1]

Phil Zimmermann was in big trouble for releasing PGP. That was the mid-90s. Clinton was President so this stuff transcends politics.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Netscape_Navigator_1.1_fo...

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