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AI agent bankrupted their operator while trying to scan DN42

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Re: AI agent bankrupted their operator while trying to scan DN42

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Post by rossvor »

OJFord wrote: post #320
Sharlin wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't. The agent was told it needs to provide a website for opting out of the scan, and it seems entirely LLM-like to try to be extra helpful and also spawn opt-out bots on various relevant communication channels. The IRC bot was a subagent as it itself mentioned.

And it stated in the response to the website request that it would do so. So for it to be a fellow IRCer prank, it was a) the LLM's idea; b) only possible because the LLM didn't follow through for whatever reason; and so c) the 'prank' was pretending it did?

Yeah, on second read, I agree with you that IRC chats are not being impersonated. It posted a link (in the PR discussion presumably) to a website where it compiled the report of its IRC interactions in the channel. Would be prankster wouldn't be able to do it.

Re: AI agent bankrupted their operator while trying to scan DN42

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Post by cwnyth »

lostlogin wrote: post #234
claudiosf1 wrote: post #207

Everything about this story, from the way it’s written to the self destructive outcome, reminds me of the “I hacked 127.0.0.1” episode from some twenty years ago. [1] a mirror since I couldn’t find the original: https://gist.github.com/Androkai/0a2602719fa72ce454d436bfe28...

That’s up there with the password story, hunter2.

I miss bash.org. Now excuse me, I have a cyber date, and I need to put on my robe and wizard hat.

Re: AI agent bankrupted their operator while trying to scan DN42

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Post by lxgr »

well_ackshually wrote: post #96
l23k4 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would a 16 year old not use their own card?

Because 16 years old do not have a card with no spending limits, and with very low online spending limits. Most of those cards are even just for withdrawing

Nobody has a card without spending limits.

Re: AI agent bankrupted their operator while trying to scan DN42

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Post by lxgr »

loloquwowndueo wrote: post #300
ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chargeback sounds like trying to defraud AWS. If the parent authorises the child to use their card, then the buck should stop with the parent. AWS has done nothing wrong in allowing an account to be opened with a valid card.

Some banks make chargebacks so easy that people just click the chargeback button without trying to reach out to the vendor. I see this a lot - I work for a “vendor”.

The chargeback is the way of reaching out to the merchant, and quite often the only realistic one. If the merchant disagrees with the chargeback, they can challenge it (which is in turn usually their only opportunity to directly communicate with the merchant).

Re: AI agent bankrupted their operator while trying to scan DN42

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Post by csomar »

thot_experiment wrote: post #281
jnovek wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What the heck is *******?

That's so neat that if you type your hacker news password it automatically comes out as stars! ******* More places should have this feature.

Let me try: *******

Edit: it does really work.

Re: AI agent bankrupted their operator while trying to scan DN42

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Post by lxgr »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #263
l23k4 wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Can a kid set up an AWS account? Yes > Are there no checks? No >Wouldn't the contract be void for anyone underage anyway? Typically not

Presumably companies can't enforce debts against children [who are under the age of criminal liability, which is under-10 in UK].

Could they enforce them against their legal guardians (under the theory that they have neglected their duty to supervise their children appropriately) though? I think this is a thing in at least some jurisdictions.

Re: AI agent bankrupted their operator while trying to scan DN42

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Post by V__ »

l23k4 wrote: post #73
V__ wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can a kid set up an AWS account? Are there no checks? Wouldn't the contract be void for anyone underage anyway?

> Can a kid set up an AWS account? Yes > Are there no checks? No >Wouldn't the contract be void for anyone underage anyway? Typically not

I knew that in Germany contracts with minors are voidable. After some checking they apparently are voidable in the U.S. as well:

> Contracts with minors are voidable at the minor's discretion but exceptions exist, such as contracts for necessities (e.g., food, health, and transportation).

[1] https://www.upcounsel.com/minors-and-contracts

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