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In the last week Alphabet has positioned itself to go on the offense, going after exccess liquidity and excess compute. I fear that OpenAi and Anthropic would not be able to compete against an adveserial Alphabet which owns it's own models, hardware, large corpus of data, talent and network effects. My prediction is that OpenAI and Anthropic will eventually be crushed by Alphabet as they run out of investment and com…

I think the ideal, but politically infeasible outcome would be passing regulation to prevent hyperscalars from hosting their own models (or requiring wholesale leasing of infra), akin to other country’s telecom line-sharing regulations. Essentially convert machine intelligence to a regulated-utility industry rather than a competitive enterprise.

Consolidation is inevitable, so let’s lean in and ensure society, not shareholders, reap those benefits.

Re: Confidential submission of draft S-1 to the SEC

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Because it is hiding the fact that there's very little external revenue coming into the AI sector compared to the costs. AI companies doing business with each other isn't net revenue into the sector. Treating the whole sector as a single entity isn't arbitrary.

> it is hiding the fact that there's very little external revenue coming into the AI sector compared to the costs There is a lot of revenue dumping into this sector. If there weren’t, you’d have a point about manufactured numbers. But I don’t think anyone seriously doubts Anthropic and Google are hauling in serious dough. The question, as you point out, is how much they are keeping. But xAI selling compute doesn’t re…

Hyperscalar capital spending for 2026 is going to be in the close neighborhood of $700B, which is over 2% of US GDP. That is about 3x the GDP spend of peak Apollo program in the 1960s, and about the same as the telecom/fiber buildout of the late 90s and the railroad buildout of the 19th century (both followed by a collapse). And there just isn't that much revenue coming into the system, and there aren't the productivity gains coming out of it. When 95% of corporate AI initiatives are still failing, the value proposition isn't there. And if you try to look at something like Microsoft's reported $37B in AI revenue a lot of that is really internal spend from leasing compute to OpenAI, which it partially owns. The real revenue coming into the AI industry is likely well under $100B this year, and the productivity gains to end consumers is likely much less. So if you think a few $10B/yr here or there is "serious dough", it just isn't enough to fill the gap. And OpenAI should burn through $14B this year, up by a factor of 3x over last year. Anthropic has a projected revenue for 2026 of $26B and is running around cash flow neutral, but that doesn't approach the $700B spending gap. And that is with accounting that depreciates GPUs on 5-6 year schedule instead of the more realistic 2-3 year schedule--so Anthropic may kick the can down the road a bit, but in 2-3 years they'll still be depreciating GPUs that they're throwing away and having to replace (of course this may be WHY Anthropic is leasing compute from xAI since then that accounting hit falls on xAI instead of Anthropic).

In 10 years, we probably will have $700B/yr in productivity gains and revenue from LLMs, but we're not going to be able to sustain $700B/yr in capital spending until we get there. And the problem is much worse than the fiber buildout of the late 90s. Fiber built out in 1998 was still usable 10 years later. The GPUs that are being built out today are going to be obsolete trash in 3 years.

Re: Confidential submission of draft S-1 to the SEC

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What a shitty company, and this shitty announcement proves they are going to be shittier after the IPO.

Why do you feel that way?

They wait until the market is about to reject the AI hype. They are trying to steal the retail money at the last second. That's why I feel this way. Also, I really REALLY dislike their censorship in the chats and coding. I cannot discuss anything, and they always hide the truth until I show the evidence and still reject.

Re: Confidential submission of draft S-1 to the SEC

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> I fear that OpenAi and Anthropic would not be able to compete against an adveserial Alphabet which owns it's own models, hardware, large corpus of data, talent and network effects. Many people thought Google+ would stomp all over Facebook, and that GCP would kill Azure and AWS for most of the same reasons.

Has Google stomped on anyone since their Search squished hotbot and their email blew up hotmail?

My point is that Google’s enormous talent and resources often fails to translate into an ability to execute.

In fact, they probably see major success with new products less often than not.

Re: Confidential submission of draft S-1 to the SEC

#337

In the last week Alphabet has positioned itself to go on the offense, going after exccess liquidity and excess compute. I fear that OpenAi and Anthropic would not be able to compete against an adveserial Alphabet which owns it's own models, hardware, large corpus of data, talent and network effects. My prediction is that OpenAI and Anthropic will eventually be crushed by Alphabet as they run out of investment and com…

> This is why I think OpenAI and Anthropic should really be one company I think the more companies there are, the better. Having 3 top labs competing, with 2 more trailing is better for consumers than having a monopoly/duopoly in goog or goog vs. the world. There'll be pressure on innovation, cost, availability and so on.

In some alternative timeline, the Anthropic team would still be at OpenAI...but alas, not this timeline.

Re: Confidential submission of draft S-1 to the SEC

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Office 98

Sorry, my bad, might be 97 running on windows 98 - but yes, this is a giant corporation serving hundreds of corporate customers and a few hundred thousand private ones, using nearly 30 years old software because the management does not see reasons to upgrade and spend the extra cost associated with it. New machines and Windows XP are only used by upper management. Worst part? Their whole software stack is running on…

Glad to hear that upper management are keeping up with the times, at least.

Re: Confidential submission of draft S-1 to the SEC

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There is ton of utility. I use it all the time to study, to look up what's happening in the world, to understand the context behind what others are saying, cooking recipes, and much more. Considering LLMs have access to tools for searching the internet they have a superset of the capabilities of Google and consumers got a lot of value from Google. In fact from putting ads on the search results Google has made billion…

When you ask it to give you a digest of current events or as a study aid how are you ensuring that what your reading is a valid representation of the source material? Has it never given you false information?

I can tell by my intuition. If I'm that interested in something I can dig deeper or just give up in pursing the truth.

Re: Confidential submission of draft S-1 to the SEC

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Checks and balances dear sirs and madams, checks and balances. Excepts apparently it meant cheques used to top up account balances.

Checks and balances concern constraints on government power. Whether OpenAI's structure complies with the law is a question of regulation, not checks and balances.

It's not a question of regulation, but a question of enforcing said regulation and a question of enforcing a lawful process which follows a breach of a regulation. Which is exactly a spirit of the phrase "checks and balances". It means that if one branch breaks law, then the other branch enforces a compliance with laws/regulations. Of even inside the same branch, if a temporary elected doofus in charge is breaking the law, then people even lower in hierarchy will enforce normal branch functioning. Which in practice was super easy to break, sabotage and blackmail, so neither checking nor balancing happened, everyone went corrupt or impotent simultaneously.
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