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Re: CT scans of BYD car parts

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Post by maxglute »

davidwritesbugs wrote: post #155
dakolli wrote: post #104

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I'd rather own Chinese everything over American. Everything America makes is slop and corners are cut for profits so the owners of companies can own their third home and maybe a yacht. The truth is Chinese engineering quality exceeds the West in almost every domain at this point. I'd move there given the opportunity, the business owners of America are willing to poison and put the lives of their fellow citizens at ri…

Not saying you are wrong about many US business owners but having travelled in China I can tell you that Chinese companies have no qualms about poisoning their neighbours for enhanced profits - my guide there said it was what he hated about his country. Money drives ethics pretty much everywhere I reckon.

This one of those if both country are spying on you, pick the foreign spy since their gov can't touch you. If industrialist from both sides poisoning backyards, pick the one that isn't doing it in near you.

Re: CT scans of BYD car parts

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Post by ssl-3 »

joe_mamba wrote: post #195
ssl-3 wrote: post #47

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On the other hand: If the assembly is reliable- enough , then repair isn't normally something that needs to be pursued in the first place. Like Honda engines on their myriad pedestrian cars. I'm sure there's exceptions, but the engines tend to be ridiculously reliable. The rest of the car often fails (due to age and/or rot and/or deferred maintenance and/or crash) and leaves a very good engine behind. Accordingly, ju…

>So if it's reliable enough, and there's also critical mass, then it doesn't matter much if the BYD drivetrain unit has easily-repairable components. True, but swapping ICE engines was such an easy fix because of the modularity of powertrains that detached the messy hot rotating vibrating part(engine block) from the electronics and the rest. These new ultra compact EV units are like if the ECU, catalytic converters,…

Here's a teardown of a recent BYD rear drive unit, performed by Paul Turnbull -- lead engineer at Munro and Associates. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LfDuyqmsts

In very broad strokes: It's just a BLDC motor, some driver components for those spinny-bits, plus some water cooling passages and gears. A surprising number of these parts are identified as having been provided by Borg Warner.

That's nothing like what you describe at all.

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Post by km3r »

selcuka wrote: post #250
km3r wrote: post #198

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Are western companies able to freely compete in China? Last I checked, no, they need local partners at best, or are blocked completely at worst. And not just American but any outside company.

> And not just American but any outside company. Would you call that "hostility to the West"? Sounds like an attempt to protect their own interests.

It's benefiting from the globalized market without freely competing in it. It gives them a massive edge in many industries and the world couldn't say no because of cheap manufacturing.

And certainly hostile when you add currency manipulation onto it as well.

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Post by km3r »

chadgpt3 wrote: post #308
km3r wrote: post #198

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Are western companies able to freely compete in China? Last I checked, no, they need local partners at best, or are blocked completely at worst. And not just American but any outside company.

Lots of countries are like that though. America has an unusually free system where anyone can do anything for better or worse, but Walmart failed in Germany by ignoring all the local processes like employee protections. (But I hear Aldi is taking over the UK!)

Employee protections aren't hostile, blocking Facebook while exporting Tiktok is a hostile trade imbalance.

Re: CT scans of BYD car parts

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Post by km3r »

joe_mamba wrote: post #319
km3r wrote: post #198

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Are western companies able to freely compete in China? Last I checked, no, they need local partners at best, or are blocked completely at worst. And not just American but any outside company.

>Are western companies able to freely compete in China? Last I checked, no, they need local partners at best, Tesla operates Giga Shanghai fully independently and competes freely. >And not just American but any outside company. So did Italy, Germany, Japan and Korea to build up domestic auto industries otherwise Detroit would have steemroled them.

Giga Shanghai is the exception the proves the rule. It's one of the few, if only, foreign businesses that operate without a joint venture with a local company.

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Post by soperj »

joe_mamba wrote: post #28
rwmj wrote: post #11

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There's a reason everyone calls them mobile phones with wheels. Edit: I agree with you and upvoted your comment which I feel was unfairly downvoted. But economics are going to win here, only a tiny fraction of the user base of cars (or phones) tinkers with them.

>There's a reason everyone calls them mobile phones with wheels. Which is why I'm so baffled how and why the EU has spent so much time and effort regulating batteries and charging ports for phones, but still ignores this massive issue of ease of repairability and right to repair of personal vehicles that has been plaguing car owners since the ICE days and is now only getting worse with EVs, that's costing us a lot mo…

Because the masses don't drive every day, they bike and use the train.

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Post by Toutouxc »

joe_mamba wrote: post #181
Toutouxc wrote: post #105

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> turned up the music till the noise went away I viscerally hate people who do or seriously suggest this. First, ignoring any strange noise in a car almost always leads to more expensive and stressful repairs down the road. Second, how the hell do people hear a noise and are simply okay with not knowing the source? Not understanding the situation and not being able to make any kind of informed decision?

>I viscerally hate people who do or seriously suggest this. It was a joke mate, chill.

Then we’re good, I only hate people who suggest it seriously. I know some IRL.

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

King-Aaron wrote: post #90

I've got a friend whos a master tech/trainer with our state automotive body, and is HV certified etc for dealing with these cars. He's currently got a BYD Shark strewn across his workshop for an autopsy. I have to say I'm super impressed with how heavy duty everything is. The control arms, subframes, etc all look good and don't fit the 'chinese car bad' narrative you always hear. The powertrain components all look to…

It will be interesting to see if they can overcome the horrible resale value. The market seems to think these are disposable one owner only vehicles.

Re: CT scans of BYD car parts

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Post by ninininino »

gofastercloud wrote: post #107
King-Aaron wrote: post #90

I've got a friend whos a master tech/trainer with our state automotive body, and is HV certified etc for dealing with these cars. He's currently got a BYD Shark strewn across his workshop for an autopsy. I have to say I'm super impressed with how heavy duty everything is. The control arms, subframes, etc all look good and don't fit the 'chinese car bad' narrative you always hear. The powertrain components all look to…

In the last few years Chinese manufacturing has reached a very high-level. The reason most people still believe that Chinese-made stuff is poor quality is because they will do what they are told and they are usually told “make this as cheap as possible” by whoever is paying the bills. While I reckon some other countries still have specialist manufacturing in key areas that surpasses China, most “common” parts can be…

It's not just that they do what they are told, whether that is low quality or high quality.

It's that if you don't have a way to measure quality yourself (you're not an expert), or if you don't ask for exact specific features/qualities even if you offer a high budget and ask for high quality, manufacturers absolutely will cut corners, do stupid things, etc. to increase their own margin at the expense of quality and just hope you are none the wiser.

The US had the same culture in certain periods and certain industries, so I am not suggesting it's some innate Chinese characteristic. The meat factories exposed in Upton Sinclair's The Jungle, where he documented unsanitary conditions, spoiled meat, rat infestations etc come to mind.

But one cannot just ignore that the China of today has had problems with fake baby formula, fake alcohol, fake medicine, fake everything and expect that that doesn't make its way into manufacturing of other classes of goods.

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Post by binary132 »

keybored wrote: post #193
binary132 wrote: post #44

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A lot of it does come down to a cost / benefit analysis where time preference is extremely overweighted due to an abundance of seemingly free credit and, shall we say, a tragic dustbowl famine of available cognitive resources.

It’s a culture of learned helplessness, which you demonstrate.

Excuse me? Describing people’s motives and reasoning has no bearing on my own. I’ve repaired multiple components on my own vehicle. Your mentality on the other hand is entirely typical of the reason I avoided this cesspool of a website for many years.
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