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Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

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Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

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I get it’s not what you’re asking for, but WSL on windows is a lot more friendly than anything Apple has done in the last decade to assist in Linux support.

WSL is inside Windows. I haven't found the need for anything like this on macOS, as it's Unix and I can just install stuff with Homebrew. When the Unix version of some package didn't do what something else I was running expected, I was able to install coreutils in just a few seconds and carry on. It seems the issue on Apple hardware is the fight to get Linux booting on bare metal with full support (what Apple supplie…

WSL provides a seamless filesystem experience between windows and Linux which is more than I can say for MacOS. And it’s supported by MS, not a community add-on.

People downvoting me because Microsoft are just silly. It is literally undeniable that Microsoft has done more to provide Linux support in the windows ecosystem than Apple has with MacOS. The closest thing Apple has done to “support” Linux is add a hypervisor without a GUI that they’ll tolerate you using but don’t really support. Try opening up a case with Apple about a Linux issue running a hypervisor.framework Linux vm and let me know how it goes…

Microsoft will absolutely support issues you run into with WSl.

Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

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My experience with Surfaces and, particularly, the Surface Book and its accompanying dock were such that I'd have to be paid to use one again. For example, the dock would get its own updates silently and brick itself randomly and the proprietary magnetic connector between the dock and the computer was prone to a poor connection. I remember many occasions trying to work and my screens just randomly blinking in and out…

Thunderbolt docks being absolute dogshit is universal across the market, it's not limited to one manufacturer. Apple doesn't have this problem because they don't even make docks they're so problematic. Enjoy dongles, Mac users. Modern docks usually run their own internal OS and require frequent reboots to even attempt to appear stable. The worst part is most use docks to get Ethernet, but docks nearly universally use…

I've been super happy with my Caldigit TS3 for my various Macs.

Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

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My experience with Surfaces and, particularly, the Surface Book and its accompanying dock were such that I'd have to be paid to use one again. For example, the dock would get its own updates silently and brick itself randomly and the proprietary magnetic connector between the dock and the computer was prone to a poor connection. I remember many occasions trying to work and my screens just randomly blinking in and out…

Thunderbolt docks being absolute dogshit is universal across the market, it's not limited to one manufacturer. Apple doesn't have this problem because they don't even make docks they're so problematic. Enjoy dongles, Mac users. Modern docks usually run their own internal OS and require frequent reboots to even attempt to appear stable. The worst part is most use docks to get Ethernet, but docks nearly universally use…

Is it too late to point out that what most people call dongles are actually adapters? A dongle doesn’t have any pass through.

Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

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This is false in my experience. You can use the cli to clear the quarantine bit, or you can take the (admittedly annoying) trip to system preferences to override. This is rarely something I need to do; most software is already signed and notarised. Also not at all equivalent to being forced into linking an online account before being allowed to use your computer at all.

You can still bypass the login requirement for Win 11 and that annoyance only happens once during install vs. every time you try to run a non-notarized app. It’s easily in my top 3 most hated things about my MacBook. Plus, knowing Apple and the history of that “feature”, it will only ratchet towards becoming even more of a pain over time (it was actually tolerable back before they removed the hotkey to bypass). For m…

Stop giving Microsoft free passes. The fact that you even need a workaround is the issue.

Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

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The Surface line is, HW-wise, very good IMHO. Too bad the software is awful. Thankfully the Linux Surface community is pretty strong. Proprietary Microsoft drivers don't make it easy, but we're getting there... https://github.com/linux-surface/surface-pro-x I'll buy another one if there's some commitment from Microsoft to be more open source friendly, but since this will never happen, they can keep their HW.

>Too bad the software is awful.

I swear, people just live in their echochambers these days. Win 11 pro + WSL2 is literally the best, do it all OS you can get these days.

Most peoples experience is with Windows home, which ironically is about as intrusive as Mac OS. When you get Windows Pro, you can disable all the annoying AI/Advertising shit that comes with Windows, and at that point, you get a system that is cleaner than Mac OS.

Then you install WSL2, which is a full linux environment down to being able to run graphical apps, use gpus natively, and even talk to usb ports.

Ive been on Win11 Pro for 4 years. The only major things that are installed under windows for me are VPN Software, Steam (with games), Ollama, and Browser. Everything else, I run under WSL2.

Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

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My experience with Surfaces and, particularly, the Surface Book and its accompanying dock were such that I'd have to be paid to use one again. For example, the dock would get its own updates silently and brick itself randomly and the proprietary magnetic connector between the dock and the computer was prone to a poor connection. I remember many occasions trying to work and my screens just randomly blinking in and out…

I've used surfaces of various kinds for more than 10 years. Overall they've been significantly less troublesome than the laptops from other major brands I've had over the same period. I put this down to the dogfood eating nature of the Surface. Whoever is responsible for the sound interface driver in a Dell laptop is unlikely to be a user of that laptop and even less likely to have the capability to get Dell to ship…

I have never used any of the Surface products but I do remember how people liked the almost no questions asked replacement policy for them at the Microsoft stores. I knew a guy that worked there and he said it was an all day occurrence.

Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

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I get it’s not what you’re asking for, but WSL on windows is a lot more friendly than anything Apple has done in the last decade to assist in Linux support.

WSL is inside Windows. I haven't found the need for anything like this on macOS, as it's Unix and I can just install stuff with Homebrew. When the Unix version of some package didn't do what something else I was running expected, I was able to install coreutils in just a few seconds and carry on. It seems the issue on Apple hardware is the fight to get Linux booting on bare metal with full support (what Apple supplie…

WSL for me was literally a gateway drug to switching fully to Linux. It did work, but took extra system memory, drained battery life, and caused intermittent suspend/resume issues. Just not worth dealing with compared to running native Linux.

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The emphasis on the fans kicking off also had a bit of a turn-off.

Can't believe they led with that in the promo video. They potentially have whats finally a competitor to an apple silicon MBP, and they lead with fans?? I love my macbooks precisely because they are silent (among other things, obviously).

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Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

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Yes the MBP is very quiet when doing easy stuff but run games and heavy duty software and those fans are required to get work done.

They are. But the experience of using a MacBook Pro for pretty much any purpose other than gaming is that they’re entirely silent. To the point that it’s an exceptional circumstance when a build job is so intense and so long running that fans kick in. As such, when you’re marketing your competing product, maybe don’t lead with the fans.

Some of us like our hardware to last, we don't go out and buy the latest and greatest unrepairable MBP for the sole reason of flexing on our friends and peers while making a big deal about how its silent and can run large local llms at 0.5 tok/sec.
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