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Nobody was ever stopping individual member states from prosecuting Temu - they just don't do it because I don't know why, it's too much work? So finally after decades (because this is a decades-long issue with Aliexpress etc) they set up a EU-wide framework and once it starts acting, it's again EU's fault it took so long? They can only do what the member states delegate to them. But it will eventually get better beca…
> Nobody was ever stopping individual member states from prosecuting Temu As a general principle, the EU commission handles all international trade and member states are not allowed to impose tariffs or rules on what has been imported into other member states. I say general principle because in many cases pre-existing legislation was allowed to continue, however anything new and any changes went through the EU commis…
No it wasn't. I wrote 'prosecuting', that is a term from criminal law, and that still is in the agenda of the member states. If Temu is breaking law, which it probably is when they were fined for selling "illegal products", then the states should have acted, but they didn't.
> If you think the EU commission will help anyone against big business
The difference is the seat of the said business.
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> The general public hasn’t the faintest idea how to differentiate between a safe product and an unsafe one, and they shouldn’t have to The problem being that a marketplace platform with millions of small sellers has no reasonable way to do this either.
Then, that marketplace has no viable business. Society does not owe them anything. Seriously, if your business model requires you to sell illegal stuff, then your company does not deserve to survive. That’s the basics of regulation.
It's not Walmart you're proposing to unperson here.
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There are generally two ways governments hold companies accountable for dangerous products. The first is liability. If they're selling chargers that burn down houses, they get sued, and they don't want to get sued, so they don't want to sell chargers that burn down houses. The second is regulatory requirements. This one is generally worse. The incumbents capture the regulators to e.g. have the law require their techn…
You sure typed a lot to say 'a few kids are going to get the skin melted off their face by an exploding battery, that's just the cost of doing business!'
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So consumers should just pay for a random import company to ”pinky promise” that it is safe? It is well known that most of the crap that is CE hasn’t actually gone through a million euro testing program. It’s just a stamp. And if something happens then well that LLC goes bankrupt (but odds are low)
License importers? Have them audited, post a bond, etc?
Should consumers have to post a bond to receive a package from abroad?
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So hold the consumer liable for laws meant to protect the consumer?
Holding a consumer liable for the broken crap they order would be just, but political infeasible as long as there is someone else to blame.
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Check will prowse. Western brands aren’t that much better.
But western brands can be sued or made liable with fines when a house burns down, which force them a minimum level of caution or risk-assessment when designing and selling their product. A random Chinese drop-shipper that vanish into smoke cannot, so all we can do is force the distributor take that responsibility in their place. So Temu should be sued if a house burns down from a generic-brand e-bike that they import…
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Yea, worst is the retail people who clearly hated Temu/Aliexpress etc because they stand no chance at competing with them when they sell the same things but at 10 times the cost (I don’t blame them. Sucks for them) but instead of just saying the truth that they hate the competition they just make up these fake reasons ”oh it’s low quality stuff that will break” when it’s clearly the same stuff from the same factories…
If you played a boardgame, wouldn't you be upset if someone won the game easily, because they decided to just break all the rules?
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Holding a consumer liable for the broken crap they order would be just, but political infeasible as long as there is someone else to blame.
Why even have consumer laws then if consumers are punished if their Samsung phone explodes?