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Nobody cracks open a programming book anymore

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Re: Nobody cracks open a programming book anymore

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My dad asked what to get our 13 year old as a birthday present. So I asked him, and he said Jon Duckett’s JavaScript and JQuery book - which he realises is a bit dated by now (2014), but he wanted it anyway (in part because he already has the other two books in the series), so that’s what he’s got. And sometimes a “dated” book is still valuable. One night recently I was having trouble getting him to go to sleep becau…

For a 13 years old? Wow that’s so amazing. How did you get him interested in Linux and OS stuffs in general? Btw you can probably get him access to the actual systems — there are people offering accounts for those operating systems. I probably have another OS book that covers slightly different ones — instead of IBM mainframe OS it covers CP/M.

> How did you get him interested in Linux and OS stuffs in general?

I’m sure I made some contribution, but a lot of it is just him-e.g. he’s an Arch Linux zealot, I never touched Arch until he started demanding I fix things he’d broken in it. I think he was converted to Arch by Youtube

> Btw you can probably get him access to the actual systems — there are people offering accounts for those operating systems.

I’ve run MVS under Hercules before, he doesn’t need anyone else, he can emulate and I can help him do it. (Except for OS/400, there is no emulator for that sadly, but I have a free IBM i account from pub400.com and he can get one too.) But he hasn’t decided he wants to yet

Re: Nobody cracks open a programming book anymore

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Well, you can't really just buy a beater car and park it in a garage. You have to perform maintenance on it, and the worst thing for a car is to just sit a long time. A horse has the unique feature that it can create more horses, which is something a car doesn't do. Horses are also unique in being an appreciating asset, which cars are most definitely not.

>Horses are also unique in being an appreciating asset Anyone have a chart showing horse value over time? I'd think there would be a pretty sharp drop in value at around the 30 year mark.

Since they reproduce, the total value goes up.

In addition a prized stallion continues to produce value long after he’s dead due to AI.

I regret not getting a horse from a certain guy when I had a chance. His stud fees are now in the five-figures. Prices at the horse progress often hit six figures.

Re: Nobody cracks open a programming book anymore

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That’s not true. I wrote the Panther book, Advanced Perl Programming, and easily made way more than 100k. Of the 25-30 or so dollars the books cost, I got 10% per copy, or $2 after taxes. The first print run of 35000 sold within the first three weeks. The Camel book was already a huge bestseller, and was one of the anchor books of the early OReilly series. It made Larry a pretty penny

If only Amiga assembler books hit those type of numbers.

Do you suggest any such books?

Re: Nobody cracks open a programming book anymore

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Aaron Swartz never did whatever it was he was going to do. He was caught and hounded to death before that. But he was working with scientific papers— the outputs of public institutions — and his likely goal was releasing them to the public . What proprietary AI companies have done in training LLMs on every book in existence is nothing like that.

The strange thing is he picked a fight with a store of humanities papers rather than scientific ones.

JSTOR holds content from lots of journals including in the sciences. It's not only humanities papers.

Re: Nobody cracks open a programming book anymore

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>which have indexed all of the books and used pirated copies to do so Funnily enough, people on HN often do not consider this an issue, like at all... I wonder how they'd think about it if they had created something (meaningful) that was subjected to this. I love Go and learned it a lot in the past 2 years but ultimately put it down in favor of more "batteries included" solutions as I don't trust myself enough as a d…

> Funnily enough, people on HN often do not consider this an issue, like at all... I didn't have a problem with it when it was Aaron Swartz, not sure why I should have a problem with it when others do it.

1) those were scientific papers; the authors weren't getting paid either way (unless book authors making a living from them)

2) more importantly, Swartz wasn't building a business empire on the pirated data, and charging access

I don't see how the two are even remotely similar

Re: Nobody cracks open a programming book anymore

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For a 13 years old? Wow that’s so amazing. How did you get him interested in Linux and OS stuffs in general? Btw you can probably get him access to the actual systems — there are people offering accounts for those operating systems. I probably have another OS book that covers slightly different ones — instead of IBM mainframe OS it covers CP/M.

> How did you get him interested in Linux and OS stuffs in general? I’m sure I made some contribution, but a lot of it is just him-e.g. he’s an Arch Linux zealot, I never touched Arch until he started demanding I fix things he’d broken in it. I think he was converted to Arch by Youtube > Btw you can probably get him access to the actual systems — there are people offering accounts for those operating systems. I’ve ru…

Thanks. How did he start? My 6 years old probably would love to play games or what not, but I don’t think he has the patience when he is a bit older.

Re: Nobody cracks open a programming book anymore

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> How did you get him interested in Linux and OS stuffs in general? I’m sure I made some contribution, but a lot of it is just him-e.g. he’s an Arch Linux zealot, I never touched Arch until he started demanding I fix things he’d broken in it. I think he was converted to Arch by Youtube > Btw you can probably get him access to the actual systems — there are people offering accounts for those operating systems. I’ve ru…

Thanks. How did he start? My 6 years old probably would love to play games or what not, but I don’t think he has the patience when he is a bit older.

I bought him a desktop with Windows installed. At some point, he decided he wanted to install Linux. He wanted to try Arch, but got stuck on the install process, so I helped him install Ubuntu. Later on, he managed to solve his problem with Arch installation-so now his desktop triple-boots between Windows, Ubuntu and Arch, although he almost never boots into Windows any more. For his 13th birthday, we bought him a laptop that came with Ubuntu preinstalled. I forget when he became interested in Linux, probably around 11 or so? He’d already heard about it from me, but Youtube was also a big influence on him.

As a preschooler he already knew how to use DOS (technically DOSBox’s command prompt), because he was in love with Commander Keen mods

Re: Nobody cracks open a programming book anymore

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I almost feel nostalgic for the bittorrent era, when piracy (or unauthorized distribution) was done the old-fashioned way! Though it's a shame that current copyright law is incompatible with building an effective digital library that isn't crippled with restrictions designed to impose the limitations of paper books (or worse) onto ebooks (while removing benefits such as first-sale doctrine.)

> I almost feel nostalgic for the bittorrent era, when piracy (or unauthorized distribution) was done the old-fashioned way! Libgen is a huge improvement. During the period you're referring to, what was available was determined by popular demand, which meant that books weren't available at all.

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Re: Nobody cracks open a programming book anymore

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I tried to introduce a partner to programming with an introductory Python book one year ago. It was brand new on the shelf in the impulse purchase area at Micro Center. It looked nice on the outside and decently vetted at a glance of the intro and a page or two, I trusted Micro Center (undeserved in retrospect), and I was in a bit of a rush. I gave it to my partner to try out on their own and they started having trou…

>Micro Center sold me a brand new, glossy covered "Learn Python" book based on 2.7.

ABC. Always Be Closing.

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