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Tesla Solar Roof is on life support as it pivot to panels

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Post by usrusr »

PopAlongKid wrote: post #321
usrusr wrote: post #252

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My perception has long reached the flipping point where sun-facing roof without any solar installed makes the house look like a house in bad maintenance.

It's odd that you confuse a massive capital investment with maintenance.

That's just how perception works. It's rarely fair. People who keep their car running perfectly fine for 20 years will appear like they don't care, people who return a young but worn out near-wreck every time the lease runs out will give the opposite impression. And don't get me started about fast fashion!

But it's more than that with residential solar: at least in places where with a heavy oversupply in real estate, "massive capital investment" is hardly a matching term. More like a drop in the ocean, given the amount of capital bound in the whole package.

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Post by xnx »

wat10000 wrote: post #104
xnx wrote: post #87

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I wish that were true, but I suspect more people are doing it to be trendy/appear "green" than basing it on a system lifetime ROI calculation vs. alternatives.

People are rarely willing to spend five figures on something just to be trendy or green.

Maybe a better word would've been "status"? Rich people spend all kinds of money to show off how rich they are. They like to use "green" as a fig leaf so they can pretend it's not about status (e.g. $100K+ electric SUVs).

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Post by wat10000 »

xnx wrote: post #332
wat10000 wrote: post #104

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People are rarely willing to spend five figures on something just to be trendy or green.

Maybe a better word would've been "status"? Rich people spend all kinds of money to show off how rich they are. They like to use "green" as a fig leaf so they can pretend it's not about status (e.g. $100K+ electric SUVs).

Can't possibly just be because they like those fancy SUVs.

I own an electric car (albeit not an SUV) that cost nearly that much and I can tell you that I didn't give a crap about status, and while the green part was a nice aspect, the main thing is just that I like the car a lot.

When people accuse others of buying something just because it's "green" it's usually actually a case where the thing is just actually good in some way, and the buyer likes it, but the accuser can't accept this. I lost a friend over this when I bought a Prius. It's a genuinely good car that was cheap to drive, but he could not get over his idea that I was a smug "green" asshole merely for owning one and liking the fuel efficiency.

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youngtaff wrote: post #320
ChoGGi wrote: post #312

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It took about three weeks of labour and just under three grand in cost to redo the shingles on my roof. It was just over two grand for the shingles, the rest for misc. Not including me taking two weeks off of work. About three weeks because I didn't do it all at once, an 11/12 pitch is tiring to work on. One week per side of stripping/waterproofing, then a couple weekends of shingling. Edit: the stripping took a week…

When we moved in I had my house re-roofed to add insulation and a breathable membrane Took a day to take all the tiles off the front, add insulation, membrane and batten it. Then another half day or so to put the original tiles back on Back took slightly longer because we had some alterations done but it was just over a week in total effort

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Post by hwc »

peterisza wrote: post #35
winfredJa wrote: post #3

I’m pretty sure solar roof was introduced as a way to pump stock when Tesla was doing poor financially

I think it was a genuine attempt but they failed to find a simple enough solution.

Aren't you supposed to find the solutions BEFORE you announce the product?

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Post by NicuCalcea »

theultdev wrote: post #317
NicuCalcea wrote: post #307

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Solar panels may not be everyone's cup of tea, but they're fine, you get used to them. I think windmills look cool as shit. But then I think cybertrucks are one of the ugliest things created by man, so I guess the point is we each have our own taste.

A windmill by itself looks cool as shit. But the landscape gets ruined. It's the equivalent of 100 radio towers crowding the area. Kind of takes you out of nature. And I don't have a CT because it's pretty. I have it because it's functional and so fucking cool.

What energy installation improves the landscape? Do oil wells look nicer? If I had a choice of minimal impact on the beauty of the landscape, I'd choose solar and wind.

Great that you like your car, windmills and solar panels are also functional and fucking cool, so I don't know why you've bought up them being ugly. You're happy to drive an ugly car, but draw the line at looking at ugly roofs?

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Post by theultdev »

NicuCalcea wrote: post #336
theultdev wrote: post #317

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A windmill by itself looks cool as shit. But the landscape gets ruined. It's the equivalent of 100 radio towers crowding the area. Kind of takes you out of nature. And I don't have a CT because it's pretty. I have it because it's functional and so fucking cool.

What energy installation improves the landscape? Do oil wells look nicer? If I had a choice of minimal impact on the beauty of the landscape, I'd choose solar and wind. Great that you like your car, windmills and solar panels are also functional and fucking cool, so I don't know why you've bought up them being ugly. You're happy to drive an ugly car, but draw the line at looking at ugly roofs?

Yes oil wells are nicer due to the fact they aren't 124ft+ tall.

A few select spots for nuclear would be ideal ofc.

No I don't buy things based on whether they are "ugly" or not.

Solar panels don't make any financial sense in my scenario, would take half of their lifespan to break even on the energy savings.

But yeah tastes are different. Personally I find the CT to be a cool look overall, albeit different, so I get why you are so fixated on them.

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Post by NicuCalcea »

theultdev wrote: post #337
NicuCalcea wrote: post #336

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What energy installation improves the landscape? Do oil wells look nicer? If I had a choice of minimal impact on the beauty of the landscape, I'd choose solar and wind. Great that you like your car, windmills and solar panels are also functional and fucking cool, so I don't know why you've bought up them being ugly. You're happy to drive an ugly car, but draw the line at looking at ugly roofs?

Yes oil wells are nicer due to the fact they aren't 124ft+ tall. A few select spots for nuclear would be ideal ofc. No I don't buy things based on whether they are "ugly" or not. Solar panels don't make any financial sense in my scenario, would take half of their lifespan to break even on the energy savings. But yeah tastes are different. Personally I find the CT to be a cool look overall, albeit different, so I get…

You're mixing up arguments. I don't know or care if solar makes financial sense for you, it does for many people. I was only addressing the fact that you seem inconsistent on whether something deserves to exist based on whether you think it looks nice. You have the right to drive a huge car that many people find unappealing, but windmills are useless because you don't like looking at them, despite them producing a third of the UK's energy?

I'm not fixated on the cybertruck, you bought it up unprompted. Though I do find it uglier than most cars, I think all of those enormous American "trucks" are an eyesore, and I hope to never see one in person.

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Post by tapoxi »

ymolodtsov wrote: post #293
toddmorey wrote: post #283

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Have always said community solar programs are the way to do residential solar. In those programs, you pay for and own off-site solar panels, then the energy they produce is credited to your electric bill. They end up installed at commercial locations ideal for solar: often on covered parking, in fields, or on industrial roofs. Easier to repair, they can do larger panels, no issues with your roof line or roof conditio…

Now imagine if we create a separate company that invests in infrastructure and sells energy to willing buyers who don't have to deal with this. We could call it an energy company.

The difference is in motive. You want to have a cheap energy bill, the energy company wants to make a profit that grows every quarter. Those two goals are eternally at odds.

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Post by theultdev »

NicuCalcea wrote: post #338
theultdev wrote: post #337

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes oil wells are nicer due to the fact they aren't 124ft+ tall. A few select spots for nuclear would be ideal ofc. No I don't buy things based on whether they are "ugly" or not. Solar panels don't make any financial sense in my scenario, would take half of their lifespan to break even on the energy savings. But yeah tastes are different. Personally I find the CT to be a cool look overall, albeit different, so I get…

You're mixing up arguments. I don't know or care if solar makes financial sense for you, it does for many people. I was only addressing the fact that you seem inconsistent on whether something deserves to exist based on whether you think it looks nice. You have the right to drive a huge car that many people find unappealing, but windmills are useless because you don't like looking at them, despite them producing a th…

> 3. Solar is nice, will use it as aux...

I said I use solar, just think the panels are ugly on a roof. That's subjective also, it's not the reason I don't have them, cost is.

Windmills are useless because of the amount of maintenance, the resources/carbon used to make them, lack of recyclability (huge blade graveyards), and most importantly, it's not a base load. Them being ugly is just the cherry on top. They are useless when you could just use nuclear.

Yeah you keep wanting to bring it back up though, it wasn't unprompted, the GP mentioned EV and range. I was giving a duality example of owning both vehicle types. You focused on the CT for some odd reason. As did another person.

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