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Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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Post by Aeolun »

saagarjha wrote: post #281
Aeolun wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is? Because the whole ‘is it awful’ thing hinges pretty strongly on how many options you were given to avoid it before going there. If I had the police over, was an ass, had them come back, was an ass again. Then at some point they’re going to just think I’m the person that’d run away while they conduct their investigation. I’m sure bad policemen exist in Japan, but all the ones I’ve met have been very friendly an…

Being a jerk to the police does not seem like it warrants them denying you of your rights.

Which rights? This isn't the US.

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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Post by omnimus »

9x39 wrote: post #298
bigiain wrote: post #262

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> The US's justice system is certainly lacking in many, many ways, but wow, this is barbaric. I am lucky enough to have a lot of middle aged middle class white male privilege. I wonder how many minority people in the US have much worse opinions and life experience of the justice system than you're implying? I wonder how many people consider typical ICE arrests and detention to be at least as "barbaric" and "psycholog…

>the private for-profit prison system 92% of the prison system is government-run, no need to exaggerate. >conclude the US justice system and policing are designed for "high conviction rates, regardless of guilt or innocence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conviction_rate You can see that's not a particularly useful metric to evaluate a legal system (and in the US, states, tribal, federal differ). Americans ostensibly…

Prisons in US might be run by gov but private companies profit heavily on services provided to these facilities. Basically everything possible is outsourced - commissary, food, healthcare, labour…

Add that to highest incarceration rate in the world - around 600 people per 100k residents (japan for example is 40 per 100k).

You get what people call for-profit prison system. It's not some secret or controversial claim.

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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Post by laurieg »

metalcrow wrote: post #7

This sounds bad enough that it makes me wonder what the punishment for breaking the rules in jail is. If you can't sleep in a certain direction, what are they going to do if you refuse to obey? Or even can't obey because you don't speak Japanese?

According to amnesty international [0] you'd be put in solitary confinement and restrained with your hands handcuffed to a belt. From the report "Handcuffs are not removed at any time, even during mealtimes, or when the prisoner needs to sleep or use the toilet."

[0] https://www.amnesty.org/fr/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/asa220...

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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Post by ramchip »

commandersaki wrote: post #287
fzeroracer wrote: post #167

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Is it a crucial detail? Can you explain why you need to know what she was arrested for, given that she says the charges were dropped?

Suppose it was CSAM in the mail, do you think a delicate touch is still warranted? The context matters.

It'd be a pretty horrible system if it was possible to get anyone you dislike tortured for a month by mailing them CSAM they didn't ask for...

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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Post by pas »

arcfour wrote: post #304
pas wrote: post #221

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reasonable suspicion is a pretty well established concept. importing controlled substances would get an arrest warrant easily anywhere if law enforcement decides to pursue the case. the administive pretrial detention is also pretty common, especially nowadays with the ICE craze. nobody should be treated like this, agreed, but that doesn't mean that the process has no correlation to the level of guilt established and…

But ultimately the charges were dropped so that makes the first half of your message effectively a non sequitur.

how?

Japan has a very harsh system, this serves as both a deterrent and also incentivizes people to make their equivalent of plea deals.

There's nothing magical about a criminal trial, especially in Japan, since there's not even a jury. And in general there's no magical threshold for proving guilt.

Nobody should be treated like this. We agree.

I'm trying to point out that unfortunately is a trade off, it works, and unfortunately a lot of people are getting treated like this all over the world for things that are administratively easy to prove and are illegal by the letter of the law, so technically easy to "prove guilt".

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Post by bean469 »

randerson wrote: post #241
pech0rin wrote: post #222

I love how this starts out by listing “innocent” laws that you can break. Its your job to know the laws of the country and if you break them you should be punished. US people love visiting Japan and talking about how safe it is. Why exactly do you think its so safe?

I live in the US and while most of us know about the more serious crimes that often get prosecuted, there is a long tail of crimes that no single person could memorize. Over 60,000 pages of federal laws alone.

Although the claim is likely exagerated, people apparently break on average around 3 laws per day. If the government wants to lock you up for something, they can build up a case

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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Post by e40 »

VincePlatt wrote: post #272
Ngraph wrote: post #191

Japanese, living here. I'd heard 人質司法 (hostage justice) used in news commentary but never really pictured what it looked like inside. 5-day showers, food slid through a slot, sleeping on the floor with lights on. None of that is what most people here imagine when they hear "detention." A lot of us live with this background feeling that "if you get arrested here, you're done" even if you didn't do anything. Part of it…

You might find her explanation of why she was detained interesting: https://youtu.be/Q2epTf2IW1g?si=ipy4m3rgFDw3b3cD

Summary?

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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Post by samrus »

Aurornis wrote: post #127
samrus wrote: post #81

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> If he stabbed someone and got this treatment, it would be very different I dont think so. I think innocent until proven guilty is the right way to go. Because all the police know is that he is accused of stabbing someone. Whether he actually did it or not, a court of law will decide that while he is present to be tried. Until then You cant punish someone like this over an accusation. You can deny bail if the person…

Innocent until proven guilty doesn't mean someone gets to go free until their court date. It depends on the crime, the flight risk, and the supporting evidence that police are able to collect. There are many examples of police letting suspects go due to lack of evidence and then later discovering they let the wrong person go. These stories generate a lot of outrage in cases where there's public interest or a news sto…

> Innocent until proven guilty doesn't mean someone gets to go free until their court date.

I know what bail is and that is should denied in certain cases. Even if bail should be denied for an accused stabbing, there are alot of other things innocent until proven guilty implies that japan doesnt meet the mark on, like feeding people proprrly and not mentally torturing them

Re: Getting arrested in Japan

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Post by lazyasciiart »

tptacek wrote: post #170
lazyasciiart wrote: post #75

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Same in the USA. This is what “prosecutor deals” are for: plead guilty and we’ll let you off with a year in jail, make us hold a trial and the judge will give you ten years.

It is not in fact the same in the USA. You cannot be held indefinitely without a judicial hearing and without access to a lawyer in the US. You can in Japan, and in fact that's the norm.

Tell Kalief Browder that. Oh wait, he killed himself after being held for three years without trial because prosecutors 'weren't ready' to actually try him for the accusation of theft, and without the option of bail because he had previously violated probation as a child.

edit: ohhhh oops weasel wording. You're right, he did in fact have multiple judicial hearings! It's functionally irrelevant since none of them ever had the power to release him or find him innocent.

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