Whenever I see a Starlabs release I think about picking it up then I look at the price. When you're getting to the point where a MacBook is a better deal it's a tough sell, especially when your lower end CPU options are so weak.
StarFighter 16-Inch
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#332Is there something new here? The processor options seem to be two generation old Intel, one generation old Intel, and one generation old AMD.
This might be a dumb question, but for a dedicated Linux computer why would Starlabs choose Intel or AMD over an ARM design? For a Windows computer, x64 makes sense because backwards compatibility is a big deal. But a Linux machine doesn't have the same problem, at least not to the same degree. Couldn't an ARM-based design be used to make a Linux laptop with Apple-like performance per watt?
Which high performance Linux supported SoC should they use on your opinion?
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#333Looks sick.
I think we're at the point where the inclusion of USB-A is a demerit.
Also the x86 processor… that's like two toes in the past… still looks like a heck of a machine. I’d take this over a Framework any day.
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#334Whenever I see a Starlabs release I think about picking it up then I look at the price. When you're getting to the point where a MacBook is a better deal it's a tough sell, especially when your lower end CPU options are so weak.
CPUs have been fast enough for mainstream compute for a decade+. Here you are paying to support freedom, privacy, coreboot, and very high RAM prices, at low economies of scale.
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#335Earlier quoted context omitted.
They sell to the EU, so they have to follow their regulations. If they don't, the devices can be seized by customs. Tbh there are more issues if they wanted to be compliant with EU regulations. I'm fine that they aren't compliant (they aren't in the EU, after all), but it's something to be aware of when ordering from them.
> They sell to the EU, so they have to follow their regulations. If they don't, the devices can be seized by customs. Seized by customs because they don't offer 2y warranty or include USB charger? No. That's ridiculous. You can import whatever you want.
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Maybe not insurmountable in the "laws of physics" sense? However, it may be so costly in cobbled-together parts, and in time to deal with unsupported drivers and/or VBIOS, that it is not worth it compared to using a proper server hardware with proper SXM sockets. Nvidia is also doing a lot of new, exciting things with networking that may make their SXM-based GPUs require even more just-so hardware support as time goe…
I really appreciate your comment and the difficulties, but if we're hypothetically talking about $100k hardware for pennies on the dollar.. it looks like the problems are all analog? Like ok, add power supply on top of form factor and cooling but all of the silicon is compatible, right? If (if!) we are talking about pennies on the dollar then those problems are solvable. For example, if I am a homelab, I don't necess…
There already are SXM5-to-PCIe adapter cards, but from what little I've seen, they are all a bit dodgy. If (if!) there really is some flood of used/decommissioned H100s/H200s into the market, perhaps that will motivate iterations and mass production of these, and they become more reliable?
It is not 100% out of the question. I would also love to see it happen, but am being realistic about the chances, as a check on my own usual optimism.
I think the more likely scenario is, rather than a flood of decommissioned Hopper-era servers being separated into parts, and the parts sold for "pennies on the dollar", we will see entire 4x H100 servers (CPU and RAM included) sold for "dimes on the dollar" to small-and-mid-sized businesses and labs. A formerly-$250K server sold for $50K after six years. Or $20K after ten years. Something like that.
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#337What an unfortunate time for these niche hardware companies to be launching new hardware. Framework, StarLabs, System76, (I wonder if Tuxedo will release something). The RAM prices must be killing them. Even if they increase prices to accommodate, I know quite a lot of folks who are simply punting any purchasing until things calm down.
I wonder if this benefits Framework because users can order with little or no RAM, and upgrade a later date?
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#338Earlier quoted context omitted.
Wait til you hear about Hacker News' level of compliance with the GDPR
No one cares about that idiotic law here. HackerNews is hosted in the US of A, and Europeans who don't like some aspect of it are free to go elsewhere.
This comment is so full of freedom that the oil from my face went missing
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Could you please stop posting flamebait comments? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
Look, I am not “flamebaiting” or whatever.
It’s just that I never hesitate to voice my opinions even if they may seem very assertive.
For me the point of social media is to be 100% myself and always say what rings true to me. I won’t modify my opinions just because they go against the consensus.
It’s an art as much as it is communication and every single word is necessary to properly express my inner self in a self contained one comment exhibition. The only rule is to really be 100% aligned to your core, pure, being when crafting these small literary wonders that best translate the expression of the soul.
Pure individualism.
We do not often have a chance to be this honest in real life for various reasons. I value this honesty, look for it on the Internet and thus I also try to be 100% honest in return according to the rule “be what you want to see in the world”.
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I frequently sit on my balcony, with my MacBook Pro in my lap. I'm still alive. I also frequently use that computer, that doesn't have vents on the bottom, for watching movies in bed. And I don't need to think about vents. My last non-Apple computer was some ThinkPad, with vents on the bottom, and I remember always chasing some book to put under the computer to make the vents free. Boy, how I hated that.
I doubt any computer you can lift will kill you if you put it on your lap. It might be uncomfortable, but it won't kill you. (I'm not about to put some of VAXen I've seen on my lap even though I can technically lift them, but...) People do all kinds of terrible things to their body. That you do something and seem to be getting away with it doesn't mean you should. Talk to a real doctor trained in this (your regular d…
When I'm working, I'm at my desk, with a keyboard, mouse, and monitors. But the reason why I have a light laptop instead of some beefy desktop computer is the convenience of having a computer when I'm not at my desk. At a café. Or to check emails when I'm at relatives'. Or to work on my hobby project in a car, waiting for my daughter to finish her training session. Or to be next to me, on a carpet, while I'm checking why the network under the TV is behaving strangely.
I've been living laptop life since 2002, IIRC. In all that time, the most stupid design decision I saw was on some HP EliteBook, where designers, in their infinite wisdom, put tiny legs on a laptop. Those four stupid pieces of plastic and rubber bite my legs every time when I try to use the convenience of having a mobile computer.
Fans on the bottom of the laptop case are firmly in the second place on my list. And no amount of ackchyually you're holding it wrong will change that.