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Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by rapind »

bugglebeetle wrote: post #159
dangus wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is absolutely how it’s going work. AI loses way too much money to not be enshittified. It’s a way less transformational technology when put in context of the real price tag.

Deepseek has demonstrated that there is no reason for it to actually lose money. The awful business practices and monopoly tactics of the frontier model labs in the US are the problem.

It'll be interesting to see what happens when OpenAI goes public. I'm expecting the executives to run away with bags of money once they offload their insane risk to the public... or maybe there's a bailout / money printer scenario in the works. I guarantee some insider adjacents are going to make a killing in a way that will never be investigated.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by petercooper »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #324
petercooper wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if projects which are anti-AI could place such identifiers surreptitiously into docs or commits as a way to sabotage people using Claude Code. Your project isn't going to get many AI PRs if just cloning your project wiped out their quota.

Frankly if a project asks for no AI and you try to use AI for it, then you kinda deserve this. Calling the inclusion of this sort of thing "smuggling" is placing the blame in the wrong spot

I used the term "smuggling" in the casual sense of hiding something. I have edited it to "place such identifiers surreptitiously" to avoid making whatever implication appears to have been taken.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by crazygringo »

__blockcipher__ wrote: post #88

Anthropic is losing a ton of goodwill by not being more honest about their constraints. They've been buckling under load for months, and instead of doing the most honest thing (keep weekly usage limits same, make 5 hour usage limits have surge pricing where the usage-cost of X tokens is scaled based on dynamic load), they're doing a lot of hacky things to try to get a similar effect. I suspect they feel the optics of…

The problem is, if you are transparent about your constraints, then users who are using your subscription in bad faith and against the terms, they know exactly how to maximize usage.

It's the same thing when people say that Gmail ought to publish the rules they use for blacklisting senders. If they did, then there would be a lot more senders abusing email.

Whenever you are defining rules internally for catching bad actors, you cannot make those rules public. It defeats the entire purpose.

So maybe Anthropic is losing good will, but it's better than the alternatives.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by dragonwriter »

dangus wrote: post #90
rich_sasha wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's rather shitty. It's one thing to disallow bypassing preferential pricing models, it's a completely different thing to castrate your model against some uses. You can see how it goes in the future. Wanna vibe code a throwaway script? $0.20. Ah, it's for a legal document search? $10k then. Oh and we'll charge 20% of your app sales too - I can see how they are going in real time, mind you!

This is absolutely how it’s going work. AI loses way too much money to not be enshittified. It’s a way less transformational technology when put in context of the real price tag.

AI loses money for two reasons: (1) certain uses where owning the market is expected to be a high long-term value are currently heavily subsidized (the top-level story here is about the increasing efforts of model providers to prevent exploits where people convert subsidized services to uses outside the target of the subsidy), and (2) development costs of new models to keep up with competition.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by dragonwriter »

rapind wrote: post #112
dangus wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is absolutely how it’s going work. AI loses way too much money to not be enshittified. It’s a way less transformational technology when put in context of the real price tag.

No chance unless open weight models out of China discontinue. The gap right now is practically nonexistent.

The firms training those models have costs; without monetization they are even more unsustainable than subsidized commercial models. (Effectively, they are just a heavy form of subsidy ro overcome being commercially behind.)

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by amarant »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #324
petercooper wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if projects which are anti-AI could place such identifiers surreptitiously into docs or commits as a way to sabotage people using Claude Code. Your project isn't going to get many AI PRs if just cloning your project wiped out their quota.

Frankly if a project asks for no AI and you try to use AI for it, then you kinda deserve this. Calling the inclusion of this sort of thing "smuggling" is placing the blame in the wrong spot

Even if you don't want prs that are ai assisted, sabotaging anyone who wants to fork your project doesn't really seem to be in the spirit of open source.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by b00ty4breakfast »

tyg13 wrote: post #328
b00ty4breakfast wrote: post #228

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You lose little by assuming malicious intent when it comes to billion-dollar tech companies and your money. They can prove otherwise by remedying the situation.

Not really sure you gain much, either. Unless false confidence is your goal.

False confidence in what?
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