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Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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CSAM exists on social media because they are so large that it's not possible to moderate them effectively. To me this is a a no-go. If a business is so large that it cannot respect laws, it needs to be shut down. The correct way to organize social media is in federated way. Each server only holds on average a few hundred or few thousand people. Server moderators should be legally responsible for content on their serv…

> Server moderators should be legally responsible for content on their server. And therefore anything that is remotely questionable will be blocked. Not just kiddie porn. Pissed off a local business with a bad review? Blocked. Child abusers are twisted people, and I really don’t care much what happens to them, but making it impossible for them to use the internet means sterilizing the whole thing.

>And therefore anything that is remotely questionable will be blocked. Not just kiddie porn. Pissed off a local business with a bad review? Blocked.

This is already the case. There is a lot of lawful, useful, medical or educational content that is actively censured on social medias because they include words or pictures of organs while same social medias actively encourage and develop algorithm to push underage girls (and possibly boys) posting pictures of themselves in sexual poses, attires and context.

Big tech and social media networks love and push CSAM, they just hide the genitals but the content really is the same.

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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These contractors were hired to view this data. Your defense of Meta here doesn't make sense. Meta fired them for speaking out about the data Meta collects, not because they saw the data they were hired to look at.

Meta didn't fire individual independent contractors, they terminated a contract with a vendor. It's possible they did so because some of the vendor's employees spoke out but we don't know the real reason. (I do think these smart glasses are super creepy and I'm not defending Meta's data collection practices.)

This is some real weird defense going on here.

> but we don't know the real reason.

We know the course of events. We have brains and can reason. You really expect Meta to come out and say "Yep, we fired them because they whistleblowed"

> I'm not defending Meta's data collection practices

No but you certainly seem to be over here quibbling about epistemology in the defense of Meta

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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> "We see everything - from living rooms to naked bodies ," one worker reportedly said. > Meta said this was for the purpose of improving the customer experience, and was a common practice among other companies. Am I reading this correctly?! This is probably the weirdest statement I've read on the internet in twenty years.

> > Meta said this was for the purpose of improving the customer experience, and was a common practice among other companies. > Am I reading this correctly?! This is probably the weirdest statement I've read on the internet in twenty years. It's total fantasy. I've worked in big tech. Casually uploading and providing company/contractor access to non-redacted intimate photos or pictures of the insides of people's home…

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Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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About the "they asked us to view it and then fired us for it". Having worked in their RL division(I don't work at meta anymore) this story is quite weird for two reasons: 1. Meta AFAIR paid/compensated people — contractors or recruited via ads — to have them submit their data. There are strict privacy protocol and reviews in place to distinguish data use in these cases vs gen public. This is not to say the process is…

You seem to misunderstand the situation. These contractors were reviewing sensitive customer data, not collecting data of their own.

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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Huh. There you go again, thinking everyone else is an idiot. Capture of video data of users by Meta is never acceptable. It would not be acceptable for any phone, and it is not acceptable for any glass, ever.

I don't know why people buy smart glasses. Maybe they buy them for video capture. If so, the videos go to Meta's servers and Meta might do things with them. They might be criticized for not reviewing them in certain cases. That's one reason why I wouldn't buy Meta smart glasses.

Main character syndrome? Lots of people seem to act like they are in a 24/7 live stream with 50 million followers.

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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Emergency Department^ doctors, what do they make? give people who have to review the worst humanity has to offer and pay them that. and while we're at it, ambulance personnel should get a huge pay bump. Take it from nurses' pay. ^ i originally said "triage doctors" but i meant the resident ER doc.

Why take from other workers when it can be siphoned from upper management and shareholders?

you're right, it's a personal failing that i must snip at nurses whenever the word appears in my head. Apologies.

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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> How else do you want companies to remove and prevent CSAM? Different situation. Facebook has to do CSAM moderation because it's a publishing platform. People will post CSAM on facebook, so they must do moderation. And "just don't have facebook" isn't a solution because every publication of any sort has to deal with this problem; Any newspaper accepting mail has this problem. (Albeit to a much more scaled down versi…

> traumatizing contract workers for $2-3 an hour) Is there an hourly rate at which this should be acceptable?

We have coal miners destroying their bodies and lungs, cobalt mining slavery, cocoa nut child labour and de facto slavery, sex workers, CPS investigators, first responders, and doctors with high rates of suicide…

Not only is there an acceptable market rate for trauma, it’s sometimes competitive and requires licensing.

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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> How else do you want companies to remove and prevent CSAM? Different situation. Facebook has to do CSAM moderation because it's a publishing platform. People will post CSAM on facebook, so they must do moderation. And "just don't have facebook" isn't a solution because every publication of any sort has to deal with this problem; Any newspaper accepting mail has this problem. (Albeit to a much more scaled down versi…

> traumatizing contract workers for $2-3 an hour) Is there an hourly rate at which this should be acceptable?

There is labor that is necessary for our societies to function, but a direct threat to the people doing the work. Someone has to do it, and it should be seen as a great service to society and rewarded accordingly. In a just world, we would be paying significantly extra for threats to health that come from work, in the one we are currently in we use threat of worse harm instead.

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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> traumatizing contract workers for $2-3 an hour) Is there an hourly rate at which this should be acceptable?

Emergency Department^ doctors, what do they make? give people who have to review the worst humanity has to offer and pay them that. and while we're at it, ambulance personnel should get a huge pay bump. Take it from nurses' pay. ^ i originally said "triage doctors" but i meant the resident ER doc.

ER triage is usually done by a nurse, at least in England.

Re: Meta in row after workers who saw smart glasses users having sex lose jobs

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The one thing I will throw out here that I can add to this conversation is that I think the government simply does not care, either. It's mainly only in regard to mass public outrage, or when someone is a political target that it gets dealt with from a law enforcement level. Anecdotally, when I was a young adult I was a volunteer moderator for a large forum. We got reports of CSAM several times a month and had a proc…

That seems reasonable though. The FBI isn’t interested in busting one perv in a closet, they want the ones making the stuff.

The FBI is interested in busting perverts in closets. That's often how they work their way up the "supply chain" when it comes to CSAM. Consumers lead them to distributors, who lead them to producers.
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