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There are already laws defining this. Had to draw the line somewhere, and they did.
In which legal jurisdiction and culture? Many or most website are have users from many locations. Is the header a json encoded map from country code to age rating?
Online age verification is the hill to die on
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#332There is a sudden concerted international push for online age verification, and we do not know where this push originates from. That is the scariest thing about it.
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#333Earlier quoted context omitted.
In which legal jurisdiction and culture? Many or most website are have users from many locations. Is the header a json encoded map from country code to age rating?
The US. If they want to serve users in other countries, or if certain states make their own rules, it's business as usual whether to serve different content there or serve a different header or take the legal risk.
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#334Earlier quoted context omitted.
Moderation is like law enforcement, it doesn't prevent crimes from happening it just punishes the people they can catch. There exist severe punishments for the kinds of behavior I'm talking about, but unsurprisingly, this does not stop kids from being harmed and it doesn't undo it. This isn't hypothetical, by the way. There are adults catfishing kids into producing CSAM [0], kidnapping and assaulting minors [1], [2],…
I am only interesting in protected the majority of children which I believe my proposal more than covers. There will always be exceptions. Today teens share porn, warez, pirated movies and music with small children in rated-G video games. I am not proposing anything for that. It is up to businesses to detect and block such things. Point being, there will be a myriad of exceptions. I am not looking to address the exce…
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#335Seriously, who cares this much about the internet? I for one will be happy if my kids spend less time online than me. Similar to what a smoker would feel seeing cigarettes finally be banned, I suppose. It's also ironic that this guy is so adamant about protecting the children on xitter. It's like preaching against racism on 4chan.
> who cares this much about the internet? The Internet pretty much runs our lives now, so: I do. Lots of things require having Internet access, an email address, being able to visit a website, coordinate with others on a Facebook page for a local group, etc. No one requires me to buy a pack of cigarettes to register for classes, pay bills, submit something to the government, etc.
> register for classes, pay bills, submit something to the government
is that right?
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#336I grew up around a lot of the hacker ethos, open internet, Information Wants To Be Free etc… feels like a part of my identity is being striped away by my government.
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How does a tech company calling into a government database to verify your identity maintain your anonymity?
It does the opposite: allowing the government to track your online activity as a side-effect of site owners' validating your ID every time you visit. That's the point, and it's a big part of why opposing online age verification is a hill to die on.
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#338There's an angle everyone misses. Mandatory age surveillance everywhere is only going to result in massive, normalized ID fraud. You thought fake and stolen IDs were a problem before? You haven't seen anything yet. And half of it will be from adults trying to avoid privacy invasion.
Plenty European countries have eID without these issues.
You don't use it when just browsing randomly on the internet. You don't use it to buy games on steam. Your computer isn't forced to store it because a law arbitrarily says so.
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#339Age verification can be achieved without destroying anonymity and privacy online using anonymous credential systems, but it has to be designed that way from the ground up, and no one pushing age verification is interested in preserving privacy.
AFAIK there are designs in the EU that respect privacy. There is a range of options being pushed around the world, and theres definitely a few of them which are more technically defensible than others.
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#340Im completely OK with verifying someone's age before distributing age-restricted services to them. That's what an age restricted service is, and obviously we shouldnt let porn companies distribute porn to minors (its already illegal most place). Just dont use porn, facebook, online gambling etc. if you dont want to share your identity. I can see why it's unfortunate but the idea posited that that it's somehow illegal…