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Sawe becomes first athlete to run a sub-two-hour marathon in a competitive race

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Post by sireat »

m348e912 wrote: post #308
ragazzina wrote: post #264

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> Third, his steroid/peds program is on point and his body is responding well to it. Do you have any evidence of this?

I have no evidence of this at all. I did thing it was interesting the demeanor of Sebastian Sawe and second place finisher Yomif Kejelcha, both of whom finished under 2 hours. If you watch Kelvin Kiptum break the world record at the 2023 Chicago Marathon and Eluid Kipchoge break the world record in the 2022 Berlin Marathon, you see the joy and exasperation of their achievement. That joy was missing in the winners of…

People do have different emotional response to big achievements.

Still this seemingly detached "matter of a business" look by the winners was intriguing.

They are all high level athletes not Rosie Ruiz, but hopefully this record is clean.

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Post by amai »

nikcub wrote: post #12

Stunning results at the top of the field. Some interesting takeaways on both fuelling and shoes. Maurten spent months working with Sawe and other runners getting their gut capacity trained so they could absorb and burn 100 carbs per hour[0][1] > The Maurten research team was embedded with Sawe’s team in Kenya for 32 days across six trips between last and this April. They were training his gut to absorb that load by m…

Not to forget the sodium bicarbonate loading 2h before the start.

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Post by IAmBroom »

teiferer wrote: post #233
mbesto wrote: post #78

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Because calories simply do not matter. At high intensities of working out, it's the amount of carbohydrates you can consume that allow more fuel to be burnt. "In the aerobic exercise domain up to ~100% of maximal oxygen uptake (VO2max), CHO is the dominant fuel, as CHO-based oxidative metabolism can be activated quickly, provide all of the fuel at high aerobic power outputs (> 85-90% VO2max) and is a more efficient f…

Then why replace one imprecise term with another? Fiber is a carbohydrate. Humans use close to nothing from its energy. (Though it plays another important role in the digesive system.) Try eating 100g of grass per hour during a marathon and you will see. That's the metabolic edge horses have over humans.

Horses don't eat during races (and aren't evolutionarily disposed to marathons, anyway). No edge there; it takes quite a while for their symbiotic gut flora to downconvert fodder to glucose.

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Post by IAmBroom »

darrenf wrote: post #300
ap99 wrote: post #285

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His comment is more of a general commentary that east African countries are notorious for doping. Like, if we find out the top two finishers here doped very few would be surprised. That said - it's still an amazing accomplishment.

I’d be surprised, given how outspoken Sawe is about doping. He invited the AIU to test him before Berlin and Adidas also paid. > Determined to prove he is competing clean, Adidas provided $50,000 (£36,900) to the Athletics Integrity Unit, the sport's anti-doping body, to frequently test Sawe over a 12-month period. > That began with a reported 25 out-of-competition tests in the lead-up to Berlin in September, continu…

I find con men are the first to protest their innocence, and even suggest well-curated "proofs" of the same.

It's not evidence either way, in the arms-race of high-tech doping.

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

apelapan wrote: post #289
PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #102

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I've been an endurance athlete most of my life, running 100 miles at 17, a 5:30 mile at 50, and lots of other stuff in between. I know that a 9min/mile pace is "easily achievable" by many folks, which is why I noted that millions or billions of people could do this. Nevertheless, I think it is really important to not overstate how achievable this is - there are many more people who could not do this than could, I thi…

That is a steep drop in mile pace between ages 50 and 62 you had. Is it just age/genes/luck or did you have some sort of injury in between? Considering that you can still do a decent sprint over 400m and have the endurance for ultra marathon distances at lower pace, it sounds a bit odd.

No injury, and yeah, it is a bit odd (and infuriating and irritating).

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Post by whycome »

aucisson_masque wrote: post #254
nikcub wrote: post #12

Stunning results at the top of the field. Some interesting takeaways on both fuelling and shoes. Maurten spent months working with Sawe and other runners getting their gut capacity trained so they could absorb and burn 100 carbs per hour[0][1] > The Maurten research team was embedded with Sawe’s team in Kenya for 32 days across six trips between last and this April. They were training his gut to absorb that load by m…

> The Maurten research team was embedded with Sawe’s team in Kenya for 32 days across six trips between last and this April. They were training his gut to absorb that load by mimicking race-day protocol in training. The hydrogel technology they have developed over the past 10 years now allows athletes to absorb 90–120 grams of carbs per hour without GI distress. That common knowledge, nothing revolutionary here. Ther…

> The hydrogel technology they have developed

At what point is this just a performance enhancing “drug” — what makes something a drug?

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Post by benhurmarcel »

tejohnso wrote: post #95
spenjovewkwhalo wrote: post #68

Posted to my in-laws, who asked how: Super shoes. Most shoes have carbon plates in them now, they act as a spring, storing energy and propelling athletes forwards. Better understanding of fuelling. Most athletes are taking between 100-120g carbs (sugar) per hour. Bicarbonate of soda has also been effective. Better planning tools. Athletes look at elevation, headwind, tailwind and will plan a strategy around going har…

> Super shoes. Most shoes have carbon plates in them now, they act as a spring, storing energy and propelling athletes forwards. I wonder where that leaves the barefoot movement. Hype dust?

They never claimed it was faster, but healthier

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Post by conductr »

timerol wrote: post #304
conductr wrote: post #120

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It’s certainly noteworthy and interesting but I could see how Running as sport isn’t popular enough for front page. Especially during NBA and NHL playoffs, NFL draft, and whatever else might be going on.

This is the most significant record in running to fall since 1954 when a sub-4 minute mile was run. I think running can be front page news once a century

I get it and agree, but historical significance doesn’t factor into what they put on front page or what is popular at the moment. It’s not a slow news day for sports and they don’t think their viewers care enough. I’m sure if we had their data it would show us that they wouldn’t.

It’s not meant to be malicious they just don’t report on things that don’t get enough engagement. If you look at the long list of sports they cover, there’s nothing running related even mentioned. They do now have an article on it in their Olympics category as of 2 hours ago. But I feel like them not having a breaking news coverage on a Sunday in this sport is to be expected more so than your expectation of them covering it.

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Post by wging »

loeg wrote: post #223
wging wrote: post #196

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I've read that even if you absorb it all, there's some question about whether it's useful. This Alex Hutchinson article suggests, among other things, that it may spare your fat stores rather than your muscle glycogen: > Even if you can absorb 120 grams per hour, it might not make you faster. In Podlogar’s study, cyclists burned more exogenous carbs when they consumed 120 rather than 90 grams per hour, but that didn’t…

That may still be worthwhile if fat is harder to recruit than exogenous carbs.

What does 'harder to recruit' mean though?
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