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Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by bassitone »

nozzlegear wrote: post #283
redleader55 wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Local AI is almost impossible right now with the prices of RAM and GPUs and the sizes of decent models. No way spending even an optimistic 10k, but more likely 20k, on a setup that is good for 5-6 months makes any financial sense.

Just get a Mac?

Impossible to find Mac minis in some areas, and if this goes through expect it to get worse.

I settled for the AMD rough equivalent. It’s not perfect but it can still handle most of the work. Now if only extra ram would come down in price… I find I need about 5 GB more than I have

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by IgorPartola »

What a way to ruin goodwill with the very community they are trying to court. I am on a Pro subscription to use with Claude Code, but it sounds like the days of using it are numbered. I guess I will be trying the latest offering from OpenAI and Google tomorrow and if they are satisfactory I might just switch. Moreover, I have been recommending Anthropic's API solutions up to now to friends and clients. Based on this dumb move I will be now starting with this anecdote and then giving a very hedged recommendation.

Realistically the future of all this is that open models become good enough that LLM as a service becomes a commodity with a race to the bottom in terms of cost. Given where we are today I can easily see open weight models in 2-3 years making Anthropic and OpenAI irrelevant for everyday development work (I justify this like so: if my coding agent is 10x smarter than I am, how would I understand if it did all the right things? I want someone of roughly my intelligence for coding. I can see use cases for like independent pharma work or some such where supergenius level intelligence is justified, but for coding ability for mere mortals to reason about the code is probably more important).

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by muyuu »

charliebwrites wrote: post #265
rideontime wrote: post #209

Anthropic’s “Head of Growth” claims this is a “test”: https://x.com/TheAmolAvasare/status/2046724659039932830 This does not explain the changes to documentation.

Just checked. I continue to have Claude Code with my Pro plan This is concerning though. If I lose my current usage allotment at this price point I will likely switch to codex

Presumably for new subs.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by MeetingsBrowser »

mastazi wrote: post #271

ANthropic never wanted my money anyway... they don't allow work + personal accounts to have the same phone number. I had to close my personal account otherwise I could not complete onboarding at work. So I pay for Codex instead.

You need to onboard with your personal phone number at work?

Why not with email?

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by democracy »

maxall4 wrote: post #210

I have a Claude Pro tier subscription; Claude Code, as of right now, is still functional for me. If Anthropic does boot Pro-tier users off Claude Code, I will be cancelling my subscription.

Yeah, at 100$ or 200$ a month my expectations would raise (and tolerance to errors go to zero) as we are going into enterprise level pricing.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by jrgd »

amarcheschi wrote: post #269
applfanboysbgon wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is honestly truly fucking incredible how corps still find new, innovative ways to enshittify. Regular enshittification won't cut it, they have to exercise their artistic creativity. Who the fuck comes up with the idea that what services you get with your subscription are random ? It's mind-boggling that some percentage of people visiting the website will be presented with an inferior version of the same subscripti…

Claude subscription became non deterministic too

I find the whole thing a bit sad but you made me smile. Thank you.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by trueno »

abtinf wrote: post #304
simonw wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They later said: https://twitter.com/TheAmolAvasare/status/204672549859272297... > When we do land on something, if it affects existing subscribers you'll get plenty of notice before anything changes. Will hear it from us, not a screenshot on X or Reddit. If you don't want things like this spreading through screenshots of X and Reddit, don't run "tests" like this in the first place! (Also "if it affects existing subs…

That tweet only makes things worse. On top of all their other nonsense recently, it actually convinced me to cancel my subscription. I can't trust Anthropic to manage their products in a way that supports my workflow.

pretty much none of these big providers are offering the guarantees needed to be taken seriously in workplaces right now. the technology itself isn't offering the deterministic guarantees that should warrant it in the workplace right now. problem is everyone's foot is just on the gas. even if your workplace isnt paying for it, people are just straight up rolling their own personal claude accounts to do work at orgs.

ive been trying to make the case all year that if we're going to let employees do shit with ai, lets try claude. in the past like.. 2-3 weeks all that goodwill has basically evaporated.

local inference needs to take off asap because all of these entities actually suck and i wouldn't trust a single sla with anthropic. they are not acting like a serious company right now, this is a joke.

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by mattgreenrocks »

chewz wrote: post #11

Makes sense. It is over for the little guy - home enthusiasts and vibe coders. Too many of them saturating resources for Max users. IF you cannot afford few hundred dollars subscription go out and breathe fresh air. But if you can, watch where the ball is rolling - few thousand dollars subscriptions and even less programmers.

Odd, everyone was insisting this would "democratize" programming though.

Guess it democratizes it if you have money, huh?

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by democracy »

sidrag22 wrote: post #266
nemomarx wrote: post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They would probably grandfather existing users in for at least a year or something, you have to imagine. Even if this "test" goes very well and points to removal

This test makes perfect sense with their actions the last few weeks, they think they've done enough to transition into the general public and away from devs and our goodwill no longer is something they should be concerned with. Its funny that openai, who in my eyes went for the general public rather than devs initially, seems to be semi pivoting and catching all the fallout from anthropic's recent behavior. It is a m…

I think they will try to get into the enterprise as soon as possible - looking out for big purchases - figma, atlassian, asana, monday, etc...

Re: Claude Code to be removed from Anthropic's Pro plan?

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Post by primax »

evmaki wrote: post #322

I would love someone to play devil's advocate against this perspective: While these tools stand to enable the democratization of productive capability in software engineering and other tasks (creating a renaissance for solopreneurs, let's say), what seems more likely to actually happen is that entrenched capital will become the only player with real access to this "knowledge as a utility" (was it Altman who called it…

Devils advocate here - pro and max tier customers for all the major inference providers are loss leaders from the data we have been able to figure out, and reverse engineer. They are effectively a marketing exercise.

The real profitability is selling tokens to enterprise, and enterprise demand is growing so fast that they are short on the total amount of tokens they can generate per minute, and are prioritising rationally - enterprise gets a better experience - instead of optimizing for their lowest paying (and most loss leading) customers.

We are in a hardware crunch right now but that won't be forever, and eventually (likely 2028) we will get experiences like we got in January from pro-sumer accounts again.

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