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Post by conductr »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #297
ssl-3 wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, eventually the people working there would take notice. "Oh, look. Banana Man is doing it again." :) That said: I've never, ever weighed meat at self checkout. In fact, I've never had a cashier any weigh meat, either. I've bought plenty of steaks in regular grocery stores, but each of those steaks (even the ones that they wrapped in butcher paper just for me after I selected them from the glass case at the bac…

That's why you peel off the UPC and then ring it up as however many cucumbers would approximately correspond to its weight. Fooling the overhead camera and associated ML algorithm is left as an exercise for the reader.

The man in the sky can see what is being scanned in real time, it’s on his video display just like the cash register except overlayed on the video of you. If they see a ribeye in your hand and it says bananas on the screen, good chance they’re going to stop you before you exit (assuming they can mobilize to do so).

Honestly if you’re a thief this is just a dumb idea. Probably works for the original commenter a few times fine. But it’s way too obviously and intentionally theft. You need to come up with something you can claim was an honest mistake.

Find another item that sounds similar but is cheaper and use that upc. If you’re keying in the upc, on a scale or something, then find one that’s cheaper but off my 1 digit or something where you can say it was a typo and you didn’t notice. Those kinds of things are more defensible. None of us have been trained to be a cashier so honest mistakes are a strong defense to any claim of misconduct.

Re: Edit store price tags using Flipper Zero

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Post by data-ottawa »

ssl-3 wrote: post #235
data-ottawa wrote: post #203

I’m very surprised here. I worked in retail many years, including doing store shelf tear downs and replacement and night shift stocking. Back in the day we would get our planograms from HQ, then we’d print out all the labels on perforated paper, and walk the shelves moving product and updating the price tags, throwing out the old. The epaper tags are very clearly an improvement to that process in both time and waste.…

It doesn't really change anything. Previously, a criminal could just print their own shelf tags. They'd probably do this somewhere other than in the store to get the details right, but it was doable. (We've all probably seen rolls of blank shelf tags sitting around at the store, and thermal printers are inexpensive. So what if it's two crimes instead of one?) And then, in the store, they could just switch out the she…

I suppose you're right, even with auth there a risk the store would lose it and the tags would need to be trashed or manually reset. Stores aren't the most tech savvy of businesses.

On that note, I worked at a store where each department would borrow the store floppy and copy their weekly orders+sales onto it, then the store manager would read them on the office computer in one big excel file. This was in the late 2000s, so floppy was already pretty outdated, but it worked so it never changed.

I got called to the managers office one day. The store manager and assistant manager couldn't get the master spreadsheet to save and needed my computer skills. I spent like an hour fiddling with things before ejecting the disk and realizing they had hit the write lock switch on the floppy, so the spreadsheet wouldn't save.

I was the hero of the day and the manager bought a thumb drive from the photo department so this wouldn't happen again.

Re: Edit store price tags using Flipper Zero

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Post by conductr »

ComputerGuru wrote: post #267
conductr wrote: post #262

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Calling card doesn’t actually mean anything without enforcement. My city police didn’t have time to investigate when someone kicked in my back door and fled once the alarm sounded. I really doubt they give a crap about looking me up and coming to cite me for misdemeanor charges. Anything that risks an employee might confront you in the store is a greater risk IMO. And, usually they light on the register is green (or…

Police know which side their bread is buttered on. Target is famous for being to get local cops to do exactly what they need post-facto (now prosecutor is another story). I.E. just because police don’t “waste” time investigating a crime with $1000 of damage to your personal property does not mean they won’t dedicate the time to pursue $200 in losses for the local mega mart.

Breaking and entering into a home is more serious of a crime than $1000 of property damage. But regardless of that, it’s a point just to highlight how little policing resources exists and tells a broader story. At least in my city, cops don’t do anything for minor crimes. On my local Reddit, I see people mentioning that you have to mention that you have a gun in your hand if you ever want them to actually show up. I think our police force has half the personnel they’re supposed to have given our city size. I think this is becoming more common in the US.

There’s plenty of documented cases where local police are the basically henchmen for large corporations, but I’ve seen no evidence of this and believe it’s kind of a fear mongering meme to think they have enough power over them to dictate them to do roundups after the fact. They may however give all the evidence they collect on you to the police with a bow on it and the cops may decide to take it seriously. Where I am, I do not see this happening. The police will have expected the retailer to have protected their inventory. Off duty police officers make a lot of money working private security and they don’t want to disturb that dynamic.

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Post by recursive »

gustavus wrote: post #284
recursive wrote: post #245

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Customers are paying their wages either way.

I've always felt this is an absurd statement. Yes customers are paying the wages of the people working at the store, that's literally how basic exchange of goods and services has worked forever. Like what is the alternative? Businesses sell things they sell those things for more than they make and then they use that money to pay people to work for them. People agree to work for them expecting they will be paid primar…

I never meant to imply that there was an alternative, or that there was anything wrong with it.

Just that there's not so much difference between tipping a gas station attendant and paying the employer of a grocery checker.

Re: Edit store price tags using Flipper Zero

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Post by zbentley »

renewiltord wrote: post #271

I use a similar trick with most software. Instead of buying the online one, I get it on The Pirate Bay. These days even open source software you can simply just apply Claude and get a different version. People online will kick up a fuss about GPL and shit but in real life no one bothers. Shoplift. Close an OSS project. Who cares. Sometimes I even ride without a ticket. In Europe/Asia especially if you act like cluele…

In some specific instances, this approach is clever. Taken as a general philosophy, it’s regrettable, harmful, unethical.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons

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Post by Cluelessidoit »

ssl-3 wrote: post #235
data-ottawa wrote: post #203

I’m very surprised here. I worked in retail many years, including doing store shelf tear downs and replacement and night shift stocking. Back in the day we would get our planograms from HQ, then we’d print out all the labels on perforated paper, and walk the shelves moving product and updating the price tags, throwing out the old. The epaper tags are very clearly an improvement to that process in both time and waste.…

It doesn't really change anything. Previously, a criminal could just print their own shelf tags. They'd probably do this somewhere other than in the store to get the details right, but it was doable. (We've all probably seen rolls of blank shelf tags sitting around at the store, and thermal printers are inexpensive. So what if it's two crimes instead of one?) And then, in the store, they could just switch out the she…

And previous before that was the days of /b/tards on 4chan making coupons for feee stuff

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Post by BizarroLand »

QuantumNomad_ wrote: post #107
Tangurena2 wrote: post #68

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Some retail chains, of which Dollar General is the poster child, have one price displayed on the shelf and a different, much higher price at the checkout register. Links: > Missouri Attorney General Andrew Bailey has filed suit against Dollar General, claiming deceptive and unfair pricing at its more than 600 retail stores throughout the state. The lawsuit alleges that Dollar General violated Missouri’s consumer prot…

In Norway, if you notice that the price at checkout is higher than what it said on the shelf, you can in most cases demand to pay the shelf price and the store has to honour it unless it is an obvious error such as some expensive electronics being tagged as costing an impossibly low amount. It goes without saying however, that the customer himself is of course not allowed to alter the price on the shelf (like the Fli…

In America you can also do that, but how far you'll get is highly reliant on the mentality of the manager that has to do a price override.

For the most part, when it's happened to me, they've always taken the loss on the chin and then the next time I come in the prices have been updated, but I have also once encountered a grouchy old bastard manager who, when I asked to pay the price that was listed on the shelf, immediately launched into a tirade about how people are so ungrateful and how he's not making any money, blah blah blah.

I immediately put my intended purchases on the counter and left while he berated me the entire time I was walking out of the store.

But, crazy people aside, if you're not a dick about it then most of the time they'll do right by you.

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Post by BizarroLand »

culi wrote: post #187
tesseract wrote: post #116

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That's pretty much what a food co-op is supposed to be.

Yeah food co-ops are awesome but they don't expose that kind of information to the casual shopper. Even most members. Even if you're very actively involved you'd have to strap together multiple spreadsheets and receipts to come up with something like I'm describing I guess I'm thinking of something like dynamic pricing, except instead of it being used to manipulate consumers into paying the most they can possibly pay…

My local co-op is stupid expensive, like $8 for a box of cereal that costs $4 at my normal grocery store, $7 for a dozen eggs, $8 butter, $8/lb chicken thighs.

There are non-coop but organic and "fancy" grocery stores in the area as well that decimate them on prices.

Admittedly, these items are all very high quality, organic, small batch, hand crafted, local, minority-owned, protecting the rainforest etc. type products, but as a single man living alone, my grocery bill would be probably $800 a month if I bought all of my food from them.

There is something to be said for the power of group purchasing power though. For instance, you can buy a cow for much less than the cost of the individual cuts and have it butchered and split for like, $2-$4/lb of meat you receive.

Re: Edit store price tags using Flipper Zero

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Post by uhfraid »

renewiltord wrote: post #271

I use a similar trick with most software. Instead of buying the online one, I get it on The Pirate Bay. These days even open source software you can simply just apply Claude and get a different version. People online will kick up a fuss about GPL and shit but in real life no one bothers. Shoplift. Close an OSS project. Who cares. Sometimes I even ride without a ticket. In Europe/Asia especially if you act like cluele…

More often than not, they’re aware but let it slide because they pity you
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