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Yes let me eat 5.7kg of broccoli per day instead of 500g of beef to meet my protein macros
It works both ways: "Yeah, let me eat 100kg of beef per day instead of 500g of broccoli to get my Vitamin C." But anyway, legumes are much more efficient source of protein than beef. I don't understand why you decided to compare against broccoli.
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Yes let me eat 5.7kg of broccoli per day instead of 500g of beef to meet my protein macros
Why not switch to 500g of dog meat?
It is for the same reason I do not eat pork.
This is already covered in the Soylent Green protocol isn't it? An alternate take: if calorie efficiency is so important we should focus on consumption more than production.
Another alternative take : calories don't exist, food don't contain "calories", we can't isolate a system to count calories in and out. It's mostly believing something because society claims others supposedly serious people think think they exist.
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> Which is to say consuming tart cherries is not a significant source of calories and not something "people in need" are in need of at all. This applies to almost all fruit though. But saying people in need don't need any fruit would be a terrible stance. What gives?
So we're moving goalposts? Where did I say people in need don't need any fruit? People in need don't need single/one calorie tart cherries that are rarely eaten on their own. Consuming tart cherries typically involves processing that is more costly in terms of ingredients and time than simply using the pre-processed versions. Tart cherries are sometimes donated and are rarely destroyed. Which argument will you come u…
You gave calories as a reason people don't need this fruit.
But that logic would apply to almost fruit.
So I said it would be bad to say people in need don't need fruit, while pointing out that contrast. I'm not accusing you of thinking that, I'm accusing you of using flawed logic.
> People in need don't need single/one calorie tart cherries
There's plenty of calories in a reasonable serving, and again that argument would apply to almost any fruit. It's like complaining about a single blueberry having too few calories.
> are rarely eaten on their own. Consuming tart cherries typically involves processing that is more costly in terms of ingredients and time than simply using the pre-processed versions.
They can cook with them. Lots of things are rarely eaten on their own and need to be processed, costing more ingredients and time than the pre-processed form. This includes flour!
> Tart cherries are sometimes donated and are rarely destroyed.
This is true and has nothing to do with my point.
> Which argument will you come up with next?
If you bring up a new reason to imply that donating tart cherries is unreasonable (even though it does happen!), I might disagree with that reason. Otherwise I have had one single argument and it hasn't changed: Donating tart cherries is a good idea.
I don't know why you're so fixated on whether people eat something directly. That doesn't affect what all2 was saying or what voxl was saying or what anyone else has been saying, but you keep acting like it does.
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> The market should decide if beef consumption is viable The market has decided, ant it decided that the well off are more important than the rest so they get what they want at everyone elses expense. Maybe we should stop thinking market forces are in any way right or moral. At least saying 'I got mine, fuck you' would be honest.
This is stupid thinking indulged in by westerners who were born in the lap of luxury. The market is incredibly moral. When my dad was born in a village in Bangladesh, 1 out of 4 kids didn’t live past age 5. Thanks to market reforms and the resulting economic growth, child mortality in Bangladesh has plummeted. Bangladesh’s under-5 morality rate is better today than America’s was at the same time my dad was born. If I…
I agree that market reforms have been great for most countries that adopt it, provided they have stable and competent institutions.
However, it doesn't make sense to attribute decrease in child mortality to "market reforms". Cuba, Russia/USSR, North Korea all have seen huge declines in child mortality since 1960.
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.IMRT.IN?end=2006...
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The amazing thing about people failing to learn from history is that everybody thinks they're too smart to (a) learn history or (b) follow rules enacted to prevent the disasters of yesteryear.
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I grew up on a farm and lived around farmers. This is my lived experience. I saw first hand farmers tear up a barley fields to plant wheat when the price got high enough. Farming is a game of speculation. Planting last year's cash crop can be a successful strategy just like buying APPL today will likely yield good returns. Yet, it's a very hard market to predict with a lot of luck involved. Maybe only a few chase the…
> The free market does not work with crops. I'd argue that this should be refined to something like "farmers that speculate heavily struggle in an under-regulated free market". Financial stability in highly volatile markets depends on appropriate planning, saving, and distribution. I say this from the investment perspective, but I would venture to guess that it also applies to hard goods like food-stuffs.
The nature of farming is speculation. It's inescapable. In a completely free market there's no way to guarantee success. Even with the best planning and saving you can't know what the rest of the market is doing and because of the long tail, you are locked in to harvesting and selling your crop no matter what.
You can speculate and be the farmer that always plants and grows wheat. You'll see booms and busts based on that. You can also switch up what you are growing based on your best guess about demand. Both strategies can be successful.
Funnily, one way to make farming less risky is a futures contract. And, if you know anything about futures commodity trading you know they are some of the most risky forms of trading.
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I grew up on a farm and lived around farmers. This is my lived experience. I saw first hand farmers tear up a barley fields to plant wheat when the price got high enough. Farming is a game of speculation. Planting last year's cash crop can be a successful strategy just like buying APPL today will likely yield good returns. Yet, it's a very hard market to predict with a lot of luck involved. Maybe only a few chase the…
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Yeah. I used to be vegetarian (I eat some meat again), and I love cheese, but I'm well aware that it's almost as bad as beef. Quitting cheese feels like a bigger sacrifice to me than quitting meat. But I've been reducing my cheese consumption lately. That's something at least.
If that helps, some non-cheese that might trigger your taste buds: - Brewer/nutritional/super yeast (with a bit of oil and/or smashed cashew): in place of Parmesan - Tahini: less cheesy but equally bold taste as yeast - Lactic acid fermented Tofu: whey cheese. - Tempeh: my favorite, just oiled-panned with salt and pepper. Between chicken and soft-Camembert